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Postby Char the second » Mon May 31, 2004 6:14 pm

i once got a botleg thing off of ebay but saw it was crap and sold it to a friend :)
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Postby Gaav's friend » Sat Jun 05, 2004 2:35 am

have aney of you guys been here ? and if you have is it boot leg?

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Postby AbsoluteDestiny » Sat Jun 05, 2004 2:45 am

Yes and yes.
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Postby death_by_death » Sat Jun 05, 2004 3:51 pm

My friend recently bought the entire RK series off of E-bay for $90 on 12 discs. It makes me sad to think that his money went to this guy instead of the companies like Media Blasters. I'll stick with buying the legit expensive stuff instead of the cheap illegal stuff.
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Postby derobert » Mon Jun 07, 2004 3:37 am

DriftRoots wrote:I can guarantee that the bootleg you are buying is the same thing as that laptop computer that "fell off the back of a truck."
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There is a world of difference morally (let's not confuse legality with morality). The most obvious and least contriversial one I suspect is the order or two of manitude difference in value.

Copyright infrigement is not morally stealing. The criminal part of stealing your iBook is that you no longer have your iBook, not that Apple didn't get to sell me an iBook. If I copy your DVD, you still have it. If its theft, who did I steal from? That is, who no longer posesses something because I took it?

Assune it is true that if I obtain a illegal copy then the copyright holder has less chance of selling his wares to me in the future. This isn't stealing any more than when another company makes a better series. That, too, reduces the copyright holder (of the first series) chances of selling it to me.

Calling it piracy is even sillier than calling it stealing. Anyone who thinks otherwise should go read a history book (or, for some parts of the world, the paper) and find out what piracy was (is).

Another one copyright is not a moral right. See Section 8, Clause 8 of the Constitution: To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries If it were a moral right --- like the freedom of speech, owning property, etc. it wouldn't be something that Congress can do if it pleases; that's not the way the Constitution is written. Instead, it'd be something that is assumed to exist, and which Congress can not infringe.

Copyright is at best a bargain between authors and the public formed only to promote "the Progress of Science and useful Arts." In that sense, it can indeed be morally wrong to violate copyright in that it is violating that agreement.
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Postby derobert » Mon Jun 07, 2004 3:51 am

CyberSilver wrote:C: With all the damned cencorships and regulations that this country puts on thier imported goods, its damn near imposible to get alot of anime without haveing the words changed and such.
Ummm, no. That isn't your country's doing (at least not if you're in the US, like I suspect you are) but rather the lincensor's doing. They do it because they feel there is a bigger market that way. Really, there is no law saying people must be sent to another dimension.

Hint: When parents see that their kids entertainment contains things like "f— you, you motherf— crackw— c—!" they are much less likely to by it. (OK, that's a big exaggeration, except for rap music, but you get the point).

I mean, really, child porn is legal in this country as long as it's not actually real children. (See Free Speech Coalition v. Ashcroft). And you thing the censor jobs anime companies do is legally required?
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Postby TheRealLefty » Wed Jun 16, 2004 1:43 pm

OK so after reading through the first five pages, and not seeing what i hoped for i have this question...

Does anyone know of any sites out there that sell LEGITIMATE imports?

I found a site that looked legit at first... anything that was licensed in america was legit... then I went looking to import something.... They had the first 50 or so episodes of Kodocha for like 60 bucks... Looked ok at first, but it had the chinese subs and its region free....

anyone got any reccomendations? Or do i have to wait another year for funimation to butcher it?? j/k... :lol:
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Postby CyberSilver » Fri Jun 18, 2004 3:59 pm

Legit Sites?.... uhhhh.... ummm.... Suncoast?
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Postby Bakadeshi [AuN Studios] » Fri Jun 18, 2004 11:53 pm

Whats even worse is if you buy them at a local store, at full price (the price you;d pay for an American release) thinking they were legit imports from china. I bought Ceres, and Initial D like that a few years ago. (It was when they first apeared on the scene) THere was no NA release at the time, and I actually thought it was a legit import from china. They are horrible quality btw, and the subs are broken english and sometimes go off the screen. and to make it worse, payed premium price for it. Initial D is actually descent, Translation wise, but the visual quality still suffers. Boy did I get screwed back then. I now know better ofcourse, But its a good thing to put this thread here for those that havn't realized it yet.
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Postby Otohiko » Sat Jun 19, 2004 8:56 am

I was also surprised to see a very large stand at a con (with a TV, large posters and all) selling Naruto and Inuyasha movie boots like it was just normal, completely fine practice. Aren't con officials supposed to stop stuff like that? :?
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Postby bubblehead » Sat Jun 19, 2004 9:23 am

I think it depends on the convention. Fanime for instance makes a point of having a strict no-bootleg policy. I don't know how, or how well, they enforce it, but I've never seen anything that was recognizably a bootleg there, so they must enforce it.

Probably conventions are supposed to police it, but that doesn't mean they do.
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Postby paizuri » Sun Jun 20, 2004 2:48 am

TheRealLefty wrote:OK so after reading through the first five pages, and not seeing what i hoped for i have this question...

Does anyone know of any sites out there that sell LEGITIMATE imports?

www.cdjapan.co.jp
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Postby spookloops » Sun Jun 20, 2004 12:43 pm

For all the people that have contributed to this thread, I want to thank you all for being so informative. B/c of financial cirumstances, I've not bought very many things over the last few years. When things look up, I plan on backtracking and picking up stuff I've seen over the years. Thanx to you guys, I feel more aware and knowledgeable. I don't mean to be all gushy 'n' all, but I really appreciate that info like this is available.
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Postby Bakadeshi [AuN Studios] » Sun Jun 20, 2004 1:25 pm

paizuri wrote:
TheRealLefty wrote:OK so after reading through the first five pages, and not seeing what i hoped for i have this question...

Does anyone know of any sites out there that sell LEGITIMATE imports?

www.cdjapan.co.jp


www.yesasia.com also, but they are mainly for music. Not very good anime selection. Very good prices on Legit stuff too.
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Postby Neko116 » Mon Jun 21, 2004 11:20 am

here is my question: lots of fansubs have a note on them that says: "this is a free fansub, made for fans by fans, if you bought this then you have been cheated, go get your money back!" So its still illegal right? it was copied off some original thing and then subtitled, right? so you could be sued just like if you were downloading music off kazaa? would anyone even be tracing those files though?
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