EVA QUESTION!

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EVA QUESTION!

Postby kilik^ » Wed Aug 28, 2002 12:41 am

Hi, well this is my first post in this forum ; i been checking the forum for a few months now but i was afraid to post cause i didnt wanna get FLAMED! :? ,lol

anyways , i havent watch all the episodes of eva , so there is something that i want to know about series

i have noticed that shinjis mother dies , and i heard that his mother's soul becomes the soul of his eva thats one of the reasons that i think that he syncronization with the eva is amazing . i have also noticed that in the death & rebirth movie , asuka found out after she woke up from the "coma" that her mother's soul was on her EVA also.

so my question is : Did NERV killed both persons so that there souls become the unit - 01 and 02 soul or AT field ? Did NERV cause both deaths , or is just a coincidence?
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Postby nailz » Wed Aug 28, 2002 12:47 am

Actually, they both died during test synch's in their respective eva's.

Guess who's in unit 00
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Postby nailz » Wed Aug 28, 2002 12:48 am

both died. good christ, i'm an ass. sorry, Yui died, Asukas mother did not.
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Postby UncleMilo » Wed Aug 28, 2002 1:09 am

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Ok

Let me just go over this...

1) The EVAs, while being biological, have computer "brains". It was explained in the episode where they talk about the MAGI computers that the software uses an imprint from a human mind for the basis of its operating system.

2) EVA Unit 00 has an imprint of Ritsuko's mother... who also was the imprint for the MAGI themselves. Likewise, Asuka's mother was the imprint for EVA Unit 02. Unit 01 was supposed to be an imprint of Shinji's mother, but somehow, Shinji's mother was "absorbed" into the EVA. She was turned into the fluid (as Shinji was in that one episode) and was a living soul in EVA 01 (and so technically, she isn't dead.) It is because Unit 01 has a living soul that it can move without the plug... and why Shinji has such a high synch... and not that when Shinji is unconcious, the soul takes over the EVA and the EVA acts like an animal defending its young. We know Shinji's mother was turned to fluid, because in the episode where Shinji is turned to fluid, Ritsuko points out that this happened once before.

3) Asuka's mother goes crazy after the imprinting... perhaps because of the imprinting... or perhaps because she learned too much of what was happening. She kills herself (and the doll, whom she believes is Asuka). Asuka's father marries another woman who is quite resentful of Asuka. In the movie (which I am not fond of), Asuka senses her mother's presence in EVA 02, which allows her to synch up[ again... but EVA 02 can never reach the powers of EVA 01, because it still is a computer imprint and not the living soul of Asuka's mother.

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I don't claim to have all the answers, but I will tell you my thoughts and why I think them.

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Postby nailz » Wed Aug 28, 2002 1:31 am

died, absorbed, same difference. =p

You sure it was just an imprint? I was under the impression that Asukas Mother and Ritsuko's mother actually TRIED synching with the Eva's and something just went wrong and poof, part of them were absorbed.

*shrug*
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Postby Neptune L`amour » Wed Aug 28, 2002 1:50 am

Ritsuko's mother is in Eva 00? Huh I always thought it was Rei. Suppose that explains why it tried to kill both Rei and Gendo though.

Well you learn something new every day I guess.
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Postby Neptune L`amour » Wed Aug 28, 2002 1:52 am

Wait... Then who's inprint is in Eva 03?
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Postby UncleMilo » Wed Aug 28, 2002 1:55 am

Well... there is a difference. I mean, not to be a pain or anything, but the fact that she is a living soul inside the EVA matters a great deal to the plot.

Gendo shows concern about EVA 01 because Yui's soul is still in there.

Remember the facts - There was no body.
They have been working on a plan on how to reconstruct the body from the LCL fluid (a technique they actually used to restore Shinji)... but who do you think those plans were for? Obviously, they were for Yui.

They explain the imprinting when they explain the MAGI computers.

However... when EVA 00 goes Berserk, I think it digs out primal-animal-energy from the mind of the imprinted person. I think it acts on the imprinted hatred and rage of Ritsuko's mother - look at its targets for attack... It tries to kill Rei, it tries to kill Gendo and it tries to kill Ritsuko.

However, I never saw anything in the TV show to indicate to me that there was more in Units 00 and 02 that there was anything more than an imprint.

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Postby kthulhu » Wed Aug 28, 2002 3:35 am

Neptune L`amour wrote:Wait... Then who's inprint is in Eva 03?


That was Toji's/Bardiel, was it not? Hmm, good question.
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Postby UncleMilo » Wed Aug 28, 2002 3:56 am

All the kids in Shinji's class were possible EVA pilots.

Chances are they were already imprints of each of their mothers.

(I would loved to have seen the Class Rep in a Plug Suit!! That would have been funny!)

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Postby ErMaC » Wed Aug 28, 2002 4:35 am

Eva-03 was what blew up in the Nevada desert during the S2 Engine experiment.

Eva-04 was what Touji piloted. It didn't have an imprint of anybody - it was an Angel.
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Postby UncleMilo » Wed Aug 28, 2002 4:44 am

I knew what they meant... they said Toji's Eva.

When they built it, one would have assumed they used an imprint.

I am not convinced that people KNEW that Unit 04 was actually an Angel until it actually revealed its true colors.

Since it had a plug like any other EVA. I believe that they used the imprint in the creation of Unit 04, but that imprint never mattered because Unit 04 became the Angel... and thus didn't need an imprint or a pilot.

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Postby ErMaC » Wed Aug 28, 2002 4:57 am

SEELE knew it was an Eva, and from what I understand NERV itself only controlled the Tokyo-3 branch of the whole conspiracy. There was one in Matsushiro, Germany (Hamburg and Berlin), China (in Beijing), and America (one which blew up in Nevada and one in Massachusettes sp?).
The locations I got from the scene in EoE/Rebirth when the various other MAGI computers are hacking into the Original MAGI. If you freeze frame it they list the locations of the other MAGI.
Anyways my impression was NERV was running the Tokyo-3 bureau. SEELE was overseeing all of the various bureaus, and they were the ones who had the Dead Sea Scrolls that decribe the various angels. They knew that Eva4 was gonna turn into an Angel, but NERV didn't. Thus who knows if it was ever imprinted, or if it was planned to happen that way (the same way SEELE planned ahead by sending Kaworu to NERV).
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Postby UncleMilo » Wed Aug 28, 2002 5:21 am

I agree with you... SEELE knew it was going to transform.

I certainly knew that Gendo was unaware of what SEELE was doing...

but I'm confused... I thought ALL of it was NERV. I mean... I thought that the base in Germany and the base in Ameica were all part of NERV... and that Gendo was in charge of NERV and took his orders from SEELE.

I had assumed that the Tokyo-3 base was the NERV HQ, but that all the other branches were just extensions of NERV (like any other company)

Anyway... I guess that's all besides the point.

If SEELE didn't want anyone to know that THEY knew something was up (like an EVA turning into an Angel), wouldn't they have still put the imprint into the EVA? I mean... if all those kids were supposed to be pilots, wouldn't they have gotten the imprints and stored them?

I just assume SEELE would have has America follow the standard procedures for constructing the EVA, even though most of that effort would be wasted.

Just my thoughts on that...

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Postby ShonenDizzyCow » Wed Aug 28, 2002 6:20 am

Hmm I'm not sure if Unit 04 was an angel right from the begining, didn't it get infected while it's air transport flew into a cloud while in transit from US to Tokyo-3? (Note the lightning storms).
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