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Why don't people care?

Postby UncleMilo » Tue Jul 30, 2002 7:23 am

I keep wondering why no one cares what was done to three anime titles to make Robotech.

I mean... some guy from the US takes three unrelated shows, hacks them up, rewrites the scripts strings them together like they're all one continuous series and says it's Robotech.

After gutting these series and further humiliating with some amazingly bad dub voices, he then tries to argue his version is better than the original.

He tries to create a bogus animation series that will further his bullsh-- continuity, but he has to change the character designs so he doesn't get sued (which should tell you something right there)

With the added bonuses that not only has he created this abomination, but Harmony Gold then tries to take legal action against anime titles that are legitimate sequals to the original titles...

They held up the release of Macross Plus back in the day... and I'm just not going to go into that.



Sure... I loved Robotech when I was a kid... but when I learned the truth behind it... it made me quite angry.

I just don't know why such a hatchet job on a show is so acceptable to a large portion of anime fans... why so many are like... "well... I liked Robotech, so... it's OK." or "I just like both."


People complain about material being hacked out of anime when it is put on TV all the time... but they seem less bothered by this: the mother of all hack jobs.

I don't know... it just really bothers me and I just felt like ranting... and I'm in a real crappy mood today as well.

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Postby VegettoEX » Tue Jul 30, 2002 9:04 am

It's not that people don't care; I assure you they do.

It's that... it's ridiculously old news. Combine that with the fact that at that point in time, there really WASN'T anime as widespread, nevermind on TV... fans take what they get, especially back then.

Really, "Robotech" being three series slashed together the way it was... yes, it was a horrible thing. However, at the same time, it was well over a decade ago.

PLUS...

Fans are not only getting ridiculously cheap DVDs of the "Robotech" dub that they grew up on, but also full, (remastered?) original Japanese language, subbed, DVDs of the original "Macross" and the other associated series of "Robotech."

The reasons that fans get more upset about the way anime is treated these days (in terms of bad releases, say, Cardcrappers), is that with anime becoming so widespread and public, the anime CAN be accepted more in its original fashion by such an audience. When "Cardcaptor Sakura" was treated the way it was, fans were upset not only because of the poor job done on it, but because it didn't reflect the original work... in a time when the original work COULD be appreciated on TV.

The same could be said for the first two seasons of "DragonBall Z," when Saban was handling the distribution under FUNimation. The hack job was pretty darn bad. However, fans got over it. That was '95/'96... six / seven years ago. Now calls are being made within FUNimation to re-release these first two seasons (it's all but officially confirmed) as "director's cut"-type releases with a full original Japanese language track (maybe even a new dub).

More companies are doing what they can, these days, to correct things that were done wrong in the past. The past is the past... at least things are looking much more up than ever.
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Postby CaTaClYsM » Tue Jul 30, 2002 10:48 pm

and the slight posibility that some people didn't know.
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Postby Rozard » Wed Jul 31, 2002 1:27 am

CaTaClYsM wrote:and the slight posibility that some people didn't know.


Dude, everyone knows that Robotech was three different shows.
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Postby UncleMilo » Wed Jul 31, 2002 2:33 am

I know it's old news...

My point is - that everyone's buying up the Robotech stuff anyway.

Yes... you can get original Macross on DVD now...

but Harmony Gold is trying to prevent the original Mospeda and Southern Cross coming to US.

Also... it has been a sore point for me for ages... because when Macross Plus came out and I showed it to people... people were asking me "where's the Invid?"

People were telling me that I was a liar and that I didn't know what I was talking about.

This has been an issue that has been a thorn in my side for years and years and now I see a Robotech computer game coming out and people avidly buying Robotech stuff...

and while I have asked this question on more than one occasion...

I just suddenly felt another surge of frustration and posted this topic.

It's a sore subject for me longer than a lot of people here have even known what anime is...

so I'll just never be happy about it.

Anyway... don't mind me... I've been in a terrible mood all week
and I know ranting will do little...

but if I don't scream every now and then, I think I'll explode...

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Postby SpPANDA » Wed Jul 31, 2002 2:41 am

Rozard wrote:
CaTaClYsM wrote:and the slight posibility that some people didn't know.


Dude, everyone knows that Robotech was three different shows.


EVERYONE!
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Postby priuscomet » Wed Jul 31, 2002 2:54 am

SpPANDA wrote:
Rozard wrote:
CaTaClYsM wrote:and the slight posibility that some people didn't know.


Dude, everyone knows that Robotech was three different shows.


EVERYONE!


'SCUSE ME!!!! but until about 30 sec ago (i didn't read much of the thread) i've just NOW been enlightened!
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Postby SpPANDA » Wed Jul 31, 2002 3:00 am

i uno... i dont fall into the "everyone" catagory...
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Postby klinky » Wed Jul 31, 2002 4:20 am

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This is UncleMilo right about now, kinda upset.
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Postby SpPANDA » Wed Jul 31, 2002 4:22 am

i dont think i've seen an episode in my life.
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Postby UncleMilo » Wed Jul 31, 2002 4:23 am

Thank you Klinky!

That pic has done more to put a smile on my face than I can say.

:lol:

Honestly, thanks a lot for making me laugh!

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Postby SpPANDA » Wed Jul 31, 2002 4:26 am

do people really get pissed over shit like this?
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Postby klinky » Wed Jul 31, 2002 4:44 am

SpPANDA wrote:do people really get pissed over shit like this?


the following ma containt a spoiler on EoE




You won't believe how furious I was after watching a certain scene in End of Eva.....


I whacked the desk with my fist sooo very hard... Just!!! GARGGGGGGG! DIE ANNO YOU FUCKER OF ANIMATION! KILLER OF ALL THAT IS GOOD YOU BASTARD!!! DIE DIE DIE DIE DIEIDIEIEIDIEIEIEIEId



God DAMN...
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Postby UncleMilo » Wed Jul 31, 2002 5:39 am

SpPANDA wrote:do people really get pissed over shit like this?


Shit like what?

You mean someone taking an original piece of work and then butchering it? I hate to sound dramatic, but to me there's no difference between butchering something for marketing purposes and butcherinf it in the name of censorship.

Even if Macross isn't the best anime ever made, it still is and orginal work and someone coming along and violating it makes me very upset indeed.

I don't consider this a small thing either.

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Postby stormychef » Thu Aug 01, 2002 12:42 am

I agree with Milo...I am doing my own amateur anime. It may be amatuer but the ideas and storyline, I haven't seen before, for what I have access to(hardware, software etc.) it looks pretty professional. The idea that someone can come along and just slightly alter my hard work and call it there own would suck. Regards to Robotech I don't own or haven't really been to interested in seeing it...I like Macross as well:D ...
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