So the Tokyo Ban passed, oh that noise it whining by the way

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Re: So the Tokyo Ban passed, oh that noise it whining by the

Postby Jasta85 » Mon Dec 20, 2010 4:38 pm

ZephyrStar wrote:And nothing of value was lost. :amv:


the problem is that the wording is so vague that it can apply to most anime period. even school rumble could technically be banned as it shows kids in swimsuits and there is one notable character who is obsessed with stealing woman's underwear and grabbing boobs lol. There are some production companies who are refusing to publish works that involve highschool life PERIOD just because they are worried that they might somehow violate the ban.
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Re: So the Tokyo Ban passed, oh that noise it whining by the

Postby Sukunai » Tue Dec 21, 2010 8:16 pm

It's all about the reaction of the sources.

And it would not be the first time a commercial operation just decided to go the easy route and ditch stuff as being the easier option.

It's right up there with anal levels of zero tolerance just to be safe from being sued.

No one wants to put a lot of time and money and effort into something and then find out it has been labeled in a way that kills the whole point of the product.

Sure you can sell outright porn variations of things, but, maybe you don't want your product in a porn friendly environment.

Disney for instance, oh there is no way they want to be labeled adversely. Which explains why their product looks the way it does.

Wizards of the Coast has taken D&D and turned it into such a fine family friendly game.

Sometimes change is good and sometimes not.

It's mostly a given, that a LARGE swath of anime would never have seen the light of day, if this whole process had happened in 1995 instead of 2010. Or at least a large swath of anime would have been radically altered.

My first anime of note I liked was Ranma 1/2. Good luck getting that out untouched. It was fine though for the late 80s early 90s.

Times change. Just watched ep 12 of Yosuga no Sora. That series likely has just about every element you'd need to get banished to a porn store now.
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Re: So the Tokyo Ban passed, oh that noise it whining by the

Postby Glitzer » Wed Dec 22, 2010 5:44 am

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Re: So the Tokyo Ban passed, oh that noise it whining by the

Postby mirkosp » Thu Dec 23, 2010 7:15 pm

Glitzer wrote:This video says it all:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkZDTCsytAo

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Re: So the Tokyo Ban passed, oh that noise it whining by the

Postby Sukunai » Fri Dec 24, 2010 2:19 pm

Video was certainly funny :)

I hear the PM though, is planning to just squash the bill whether or not Ishy baby likes it or not.
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Re: So the Tokyo Ban passed, oh that noise it whining by the

Postby Jasta85 » Fri Dec 24, 2010 9:33 pm

Sukunai wrote:Video was certainly funny :)

I hear the PM though, is planning to just squash the bill whether or not Ishy baby likes it or not.


I don't think he will just squash it but he's taken a personal interest in the matter, this will have wide spread economic effects, especially with possible boycotts and cancellations of major events so he's not going to just stand on the sidelines.
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Re: So the Tokyo Ban passed, oh that noise it whining by the

Postby BasharOfTheAges » Wed Dec 29, 2010 12:37 pm

And it looks like all the boycotters of the TAF (i.e. half the industry) are going to hold their own event @ Makuhari Messe the same weekend as a big 'fuck you' to Ishihara.
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Re: So the Tokyo Ban passed, oh that noise it whining by the

Postby guy07 » Thu Dec 30, 2010 3:01 am

mirkosp wrote:
Glitzer wrote:This video says it all:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkZDTCsytAo

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

I see ... i see some people are getting pretty worked up about this. I'm sort of indifferent to it. I don't hate all anime without tits and guns, but i don't love all anime with them. So long as it's original and entertaining, I'll be good. :up:
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Re: So the Tokyo Ban passed, oh that noise it whining by the

Postby Jasta85 » Thu Dec 30, 2010 8:21 am

guy07 wrote:
mirkosp wrote:
Glitzer wrote:This video says it all:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkZDTCsytAo

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

I see ... i see some people are getting pretty worked up about this. I'm sort of indifferent to it. I don't hate all anime without tits and guns, but i don't love all anime with them. So long as it's original and entertaining, I'll be good. :up:


the anger is not about fanservice being threatened. It's that the rules of the ban are so incredibly vague that they could ban a huge variety of things which have nothing indecent. Anime involving highschool or middleschool students period could possibly be banned because they might have a scene showing a student engaging in "inappropriate behavior". there is no definition of inappropriate behavior so if the censors wanted to be anal they could technically ban a series just for having two students fall in love and having an intimate moment. Think of evangelion the movie for a moment

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In the scene where azuka is comatose and shinji is at her bed trying to wake her up he is shaking her and her top falls open. he ends up jacking off to her boobs. That right there would have been a good excuse to ban the whole project.


examples like that one above means that studios have to tip toe around when making a series as they have to make sure it's completely politically correct, just the simple possibility of having a project shut down is causing a lot of studios to drop projects involving lots of underage characters (highschool series in general) because they don't want to run the risk of having their project canned.

and while i'm not a fan of yaoi series, I do feel sorry for fans of BL since ANY homosexual type stuff is now dead and gone.
I don't know how they are going to make another to aru majetsu no index series as it actually breaks just about every rule put down. it's got index (who looks like a middleschooler) who is stripped or found naked by touma every other ep, it's got plenty of highschool boobage shots (also thanks to touma walking in on random girls) and then it's got a lesbian teleporter who is constantly assaulting another girl. This is the perfect example of how a perfectly good series may not be able to be continued simply because it contains a ton of elements that might get it banned.
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Re: So the Tokyo Ban passed, oh that noise it whining by the

Postby JudgeHolden » Sun Jan 02, 2011 3:43 am

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/20 ... cene-manga

We ought to be more worried about our own backyard. Almost any anime could be considered to contain child porn under U.S. law. Really, think about your favorite series, and you might find something in there that an overzealous DA could come after you for.

Food for thought.
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Re: So the Tokyo Ban passed, oh that noise it whining by the

Postby Jasta85 » Sun Jan 02, 2011 10:17 pm

yep, i remember seeing that article a while back. there are honestly so many legal problems with trying to charge someone for child pornography when it's entirely anime/comics. take dance in the vampire bund for example, the "loli vampire" in it looks like she's about 13 but she's several hundred years old so she's NOT a minor, she's in fact a very senior citizen lol. so if someone had porn of her they really couldnt be arrested for having child pornography. there are tons of loli characters are actually adults but look like children

also, what about the level of detail of the pictures, if i had drawn this picture (i did not draw it btw)
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and say it's an underage girl who is naked and in a sexually suggestive pose would i be arrested for creating and distributing child porn?

hell all the author of a hentai featuring children in it has to do is add a footnote at the beginning stating "all characters in this comic are ages 18 and above" and they have just made it police proof. i would love to see a court case arguing that the author does not have the right to make his characters older than they appear hehe, would be hilarious to see the arguments on both sides
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Re: So the Tokyo Ban passed, oh that noise it whining by the

Postby Qyot27 » Sun Jan 02, 2011 11:57 pm

Jasta85 wrote:hell all the author of a hentai featuring children in it has to do is add a footnote at the beginning stating "all characters in this comic are ages 18 and above" and they have just made it police proof.

That's kind of what already happens in the U.S. when some eroge come over. 19-year-olds in a clearly high school freshman setting? Someone was held back a few times, and that teacher hitting on them is a creep both for going after a student, and a student that has developmental issues. The attempt to make it age-of-acceptable actually made it worse in other ways.

Sometimes it even happens in the original. IIRC, Peace@Pieces was set in some sort of ambiguous high school-slash-college situation I've still not really figured out.

i would love to see a court case arguing that the author does not have the right to make his characters older than they appear hehe, would be hilarious to see the arguments on both sides

I can see it now: 800-year-old immortals are now legally required to look like the Cryptkeeper. Good luck with that.
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Re: So the Tokyo Ban passed, oh that noise it whining by the

Postby JudgeHolden » Mon Jan 03, 2011 10:47 am

Remember it's ANY character under the age of 18 .... So, even Ikki Tousen (which is sitting on the shelves of my local Best Buy) could get you in trouble; not to mention the legal ramifications for Funimation and Best Buy.

The thing I really hate about the whole thing is that the guy took a plea instead of fighting it, which sets a dangerous precedent. It allows the DA in Iowa to go after other forms of anime (just not lolicon) ...
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Re: So the Tokyo Ban passed, oh that noise it whining by the

Postby Jasta85 » Mon Jan 03, 2011 12:47 pm

he probably didn't have good legal representation and maybe the culture in Iowa is very conservative or something. I'm relatively sure that arresting people for cartoon porn is rather low on most law enforcement agencies' priority list.
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Re: So the Tokyo Ban passed, oh that noise it whining by the

Postby BasharOfTheAges » Tue Jan 04, 2011 10:15 am

It's all so much simpler than that. Censorship is censorship. You don't get mad because it threatens something you enjoy, you get mad because it's censorship. You get mad because it's only step 1. That's why the anime and manga companies are boycotting TAF - They are mad that it allows arbitrary censorship (without recourse) based on the whims of whomever is in power. That's an enormously oppressive and uncertain market to operate under.
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