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Postby WhereNext » Sun Jun 29, 2003 7:34 pm

Well, I know I am always learning from watching other peoples AMVs, its always an ongoing process of learning new things.

I think this vid is a good example of a godd video(i hope so anyway) that only utilizes edits, no effects, just timing and edits.

http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members/members_videoinfo.php?v=19254
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Postby Arigatomina » Sun Jun 29, 2003 7:43 pm

Nice example, WhereNext. I think that's a good video choice (and a good video, so don't worry) - effects are highly overrated, and not at all necessary to have a good amv. ^_^
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Postby OmniStrata » Sun Jun 29, 2003 8:17 pm

Effects aren't overrated, non fx videos are underrated...

:p

Just did a bunch of the vids posted, I must say, I think I'm wrong now. There are LOTS of smart noobs showin' up. [thank you makers of the guides!]

I guess the people complaining should just use the text they type for complaining and use it for righting ops instead! heh heh...

:wink:

Hey, look, I'M DOING IT!!! ^_^
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Postby Dead_Pool » Sun Jun 29, 2003 8:35 pm

Well since you are in the mood I will give you one or two. Try Sour Blood Girl or Ghost of your Host. If you do take Sour Blood Girl try for the indirect (as I uploaded the wrong one to the carrot with fucked up sound ) the indirect one doesn't have the glitch
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Postby OmniStrata » Sun Jun 29, 2003 8:44 pm

Dead_Pool wrote:Well since you are in the mood I will give you one or two. Try Sour Blood Girl or Ghost of your Host. If you do take Sour Blood Girl try for the indirect (as I uploaded the wrong one to the carrot with fucked up sound ) the indirect one doesn't have the glitch


Um, if you hadn't noticed, these people left links. I, like the other 99% of the people here on the org, think it's pointless to hunt for the vids you mentioned... :p

Sooo... please post a link to either vid [or both] but I'm only going to op one of them. [preferably the newer one... tell me which is ur latest and the other "teachers" here can grab it as well]

Since my "mini amv school" suggestion isn't implemented yet, I guess we're stuck writing opinions. [mini school - quick comments from past-time editors that aren't too lengthy so they don't take up too much time. also, q & a sessions... things you don't easily get with the written opinion.]
"Strength lies in action. Let the weak react to me..." - Kamahl, Pit Fighter from Magic: the Gathering
"That is a mistake many of my enemies make. They think before they act. I act before I think!" - Vortigern from Merlin ('98)
"I AM REBORN!" - Dark Schneider Bastard!! OAV
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Postby OmniStrata » Sun Jun 29, 2003 8:45 pm

DOH! I MISSED YOUR SIG!!!

[me slaps...]
"Strength lies in action. Let the weak react to me..." - Kamahl, Pit Fighter from Magic: the Gathering
"That is a mistake many of my enemies make. They think before they act. I act before I think!" - Vortigern from Merlin ('98)
"I AM REBORN!" - Dark Schneider Bastard!! OAV
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Postby OmniStrata » Sun Jun 29, 2003 9:07 pm

Just saw those other vids mentioned...

WTF?! I thought this was a thread for noobs?!

[ah well, it's still an awesome learning experience for me...]

Thank God...
"Strength lies in action. Let the weak react to me..." - Kamahl, Pit Fighter from Magic: the Gathering
"That is a mistake many of my enemies make. They think before they act. I act before I think!" - Vortigern from Merlin ('98)
"I AM REBORN!" - Dark Schneider Bastard!! OAV
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Postby Arigatomina » Sun Jun 29, 2003 9:16 pm

OmniStrata wrote:Just saw those other vids mentioned...

WTF?! I thought this was a thread for noobs?!


It's good to have different experienced editors' vids linked here as well as the newbie ones. Watching the 'pros' at work teaches nearly as much as having them give you reviews. And I can't speak for everyone, but I don't go out of my way to watch the videos everyone thinks are wonderful. I don't care what dead or retired editors may have made to rock the world. But reviewing a great vid, by someone who will talk back to you after the review and then look at your work so you can make a proper comparison - why, that's hands on experience, and a very good thing. ^_^ I think this thread could do well to bring the newbie makers and the pros into the same place to compare amvs.

--And Dead_Pool's most recent is the Ghost in the Shell, the Sour Blood girl is the one that came out right before it. ^_^
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Postby OmniStrata » Sun Jun 29, 2003 9:45 pm

Arigatomyna wrote:I don't care what dead or retired editors may have made to rock the world.


At the BARE minimum you should look at Odorikuruu and Euphoria. For simplicity's sake, I'd highly suggest TaranT's Sakura amv...

Once you've got those 3 at least watched it's more for learning! But those are just my suggestions. The vids that "everyone are talking about" I think aren't things to be ignored... They must be doing something right...

:wink:
"Strength lies in action. Let the weak react to me..." - Kamahl, Pit Fighter from Magic: the Gathering
"That is a mistake many of my enemies make. They think before they act. I act before I think!" - Vortigern from Merlin ('98)
"I AM REBORN!" - Dark Schneider Bastard!! OAV
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Postby Arigatomina » Sun Jun 29, 2003 10:20 pm

I've watched the required viewing list, and I won't horrify anyone with my opinions on those. They are among the few videos I didn't bother to leave reviews for since I had nothing constructive to say. I know why we have to watch the great videos, it's a good introduction to greatness. But it's like reading Moby Dick, you can't exactly do anything about it once the writer's out of the picture, you can only look, nod your head at the skills, and then mumble under your breath about how the style doesn't match what you 'enjoy.' No one would go to a literature class, study literature greats, and then become better writers from just reading the works. On the other hand, showing your papers to a person who's an acclaimed novelist and comparing with them is a hands-on experience - it's the 'hands-on' that I'm emphasizing here.

A lot of the videos that are called 'great' are editing wonderfully, but a lot of them are called great because a majority of people *enjoy* watching them, which makes greatness even more than just the skills. If you don't enjoy watching a video, no matter how wonderfully it's made, studying it to improve yourself is like reading a 'great' novel - it'll teach you a little, but in the end it's just a piece of work set down somewhere with no life behind it for you to get feedback from. That's all I was trying to say. I want to share not just the viewing of a good video, but the person who created that experience for me. I won't get that from watching Euphoria, no matter how many times I watch it. Believe me, I've tried. :?
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Postby Otohiko » Sun Jun 29, 2003 10:22 pm

Wow Omni! Thanks a ton for your detailed and unbiased review... just what I needed.

Some of it was expected, some is very helpful. But wow, coming from someone sceptical about the anime and music - the marks really mean a lot. At least now I know I've pretty well succeeded in what I wanted to do (the only other review I had was from a RL friend). First step out of the way, now I'll have to tackle something with lyrics, keeping the previous mistakes in mind...

So, thank you again! Will return the favor soon.

***

Strongly suggest more rookies to jump on this opportunity - this guy's the real deal :wink:
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Postby jonmartensen » Sun Jun 29, 2003 10:25 pm

My vid is linked in my sig as "Civil Strife". Sure, I've been toying with AMV stuff since August, but I made this vid back in September (I've just been REALLY lazy about making a second...third...fourth, vid) I read the guides for it, and used some filters to both brighten, and clean up the scenes as much as possible. The only real quallity problem still is a ghosting effect in the fog/gas and some lack of deffinition in darker scenes.

I appreciate blunt, and to the point, reviews.
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Postby jonmartensen » Sun Jun 29, 2003 10:27 pm

And I sincerelly hope your score for average is 5.
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Postby OmniStrata » Mon Jun 30, 2003 1:35 am

You obviously don't read my profile...

[me downloads]
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Postby Sporkmaster » Mon Jun 30, 2003 2:52 am

When ever in doubt about getting a bad review remember these words; Shut up and make it better.
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