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Paranormal.

Postby ZephyrStar » Tue Oct 13, 2009 3:08 pm

It's that time of year, so here's a paranormal thread.

Being a fan of horror and science fiction(fact), I love this kind of stuff. I have never personally witnessed or experienced anything I would consider paranormal, however I do generally subscribe to the idea that because we exist and understand, anything is possible, and due to the nature of the universe, we may be only capable of percieving a few of many facets of reality.

So, let's hear about your ghost stories, ufo sightings, precognitions, or conspiracy theories.

I'll start, as I really like the idea that there could be some kind of ruins on the Moon or Mars. I've heard it proposed that we were seeded here (this solar system) from elsewhere, a few hundred thousand years ago. I've also heard it proposed that there was a continent of Atlantis, and they went to the moon, mars, and beyond, and that they also accidentally blew themselves up, that's why their continent sunk. Makes for a pretty damn awesome story.

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Re: Paranormal.

Postby Niotex » Tue Oct 13, 2009 4:06 pm

I've already told you my shit. Don't feel like sharing it with the rest =|
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Re: Paranormal.

Postby Brad » Tue Oct 13, 2009 4:38 pm

I know that Jon has a pretty freaky paranormal story. And Nathan (Batto) really wants to see something like that. He's been talking about wanting to check out some of those haunted Chicago tours or something.

I've certainly never seen anything of that nature, but I'm definitely into the idea of stuff like Atlantis and whatnot. I don't know if I actually believe any of those stories, but if I found out they were true I'd be pretty psyched about it.
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Re: Paranormal.

Postby Ileia » Tue Oct 13, 2009 5:48 pm

Hmmmm...not really sure if this is paranormal but...


When I was about 8, I had just moved to Arizona, and there was a summer camp at ASU. You had to take the school bus to ASU for a physical before you were allowed to join the camp. I got on the bus at a nearby school (I hadn't yet been to school, it was the beginning of summer) and went to ASU and took the physical, nothing amazing there.

But when I walked outside to go get on the bus, it seemed that the bus driver had left already. I had been the last one to take the physical, I had just been waiting for them to print my forms. After wandering around the parking lot looking for the bus, I went back inside to find that the staff conducting the physical had already packed up and left. The corridors were all empty, save for a few roaming students.

I had just moved there, had NO idea where I was, I didn't even know my own phone number yet. I was 8-years-old and all alone at ASU with no way to get home or even alert anyone to the fact that I was lost. I went outside and sat on the curb crying.

Then a woman I'd never seen before offered me a ride. Despite knowing not to get into a car with a stranger, I got in. She chatted with me, asked me about my favorite colors, books, things like that. It never occurred to me to wonder who she was...or more importantly, how she knew where I lived. She never asked, she just seemed to know where she was going.

Then she dropped me off at my place, which was a big apartment complex (she even knew where to park) and I thanked her and ran off. I didn't have house keys yet, so I knocked on the door and my dad answered, I turned to wave to the lady to let her know I'd arrived safely (she had asked that I do so) and the car was no longer there.

Now, my dad thinks that this woman worked for the school, but I didn't see her at any point during my physical. There were only two workers. Furthermore, how would she have memorized my address that quickly? My dad told me that I must have shown her the forms I had picked up and I just didn't remember. Anyone that knows me knows that my memory is amazing. I had stuffed the papers into my backpack and I had put that on my lap for the duration of the drive. I would've remembered opening it. To his own surprise, my dad later realized that the forms had my previous address on it, from Ohio.

Possible guardian angel? I have no idea.
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Re: Paranormal.

Postby CodeZTM » Tue Oct 13, 2009 7:02 pm

Eh... I dunno in the least if this is considered "paranormal", more or less perhaps maybe a miracle from God of sorts, but it really happened when I was about 12.

I was dead asleep when I heard "ZACK!" screamed at the top of some female's voice's lungs.

I jumped up and ran downstairs thinking somebody was hurt or something, and went in to wake up my parents. While I was running downstairs, I saw a lit candle that had caught our downstairs table on fire. I grabbed a glass of water and doused it as soon as I could, because it was still a rather small fire..

I went to see if maybe my parents had been the ones to scream out to me, but they were both dead asleep as well. When I woke them up and took them to see the damage to the table [the top of it was completely ruined, and the fabric that covered it was ashes by this point], they were astounded at the story.

This is especially fun to know: We didn't have smoke alarms in our old 2-story house at the time. :shock:

Guardian angel? I like to think so, because something similar happened a few years ago when there was a school shooting at my old campus.

I got a text from somebody on my phone [some weird number that I'd never seen before] that my night class had been canceled. Therefore, I went on home. Sure enough, that same night was the night the school shooting happened, which was VERY close to my classroom [in nearby dorms]. I come to find out the next day that my night class HADN'T been canceled after all. I never could find out who's number that was, but the skeptic in me says it was probably somebody in my class of 105 [although how they got it I'll never know...].
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Re: Paranormal.

Postby ZephyrStar » Tue Oct 13, 2009 8:42 pm

@ Ileia and Code...I shat bricks :O
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Re: Paranormal.

Postby guy07 » Tue Oct 13, 2009 9:07 pm

Interesting stories. I'm sort of half believer in this sort of thing. But I very recently had a slightly paranormal event. Possibly.

Ok, I have a 'learn japanese' book sitting on my shelf facing away from the back of the self, not sideways, and one day while i was on the computer i heard a bang. I looked back and saw that my book had fallen on the floor. "No biggie" i think to myself. Shit like that happens all the time. Maybe somebody opened a door and a gust of wind or something blew it over. But as I was going to pick it up I realized that it had landed strangely far away from the shelf it had been on. Curious, I put i back up on the shelf and gave it a tap to knock it over. It landed maybe a foot away from the shelf. The first time it had fallen it landed up about five feet away. No matter how I did it, I couldn't get it to land that far away unless I gave it a good smack. I still don't quite get it, it's quite baffling. It happened again like a month later. Same scenario. Never found any doors, windows or anything open.
It doesn't seem that strange until I remembered that my grandfather who was a unwilling member of the Axis (German) back in WW2 had died about 10 years ago. Strange that it was a Japanese book, eh? :o
Like i said, I'm not 100% on paranormal stuff, but you've got to admit that that's interesting.
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Re: Paranormal.

Postby 8bit_samurai » Tue Oct 13, 2009 9:47 pm

I should have a buncha stories for this, but I don't :/ From what I'm told, my mother's side of the family comes from a long line of Medicine Men/Women, and on that side of the family, there's quite a bit who would have dreams every now and then that would tell them something good or something bad would happen, and sure enough, something good or something bad would happen the next day. There are other such instances, but nothing like that happens to me.

On the other side of the family, my sister (and maybe some of the other family members, though they haven't told me any stories) is able to indirectly communicate to spirits and the such.

The place where I work was the Washeteria (and still is, though not as big and not on the side where I work) before the town had Water & Sewer, and stories tell that right in front of the building was a mass graveyard (whether it's still there I don't know). People don't like to do laundry and shower there alone, as they would hear voices and see something move on it's own accord or the such, especially in my supervisor's office where they used to wash dead bodies to prepare for a funeral or autopsy or whatever. People still do hear and see strange things when they're alone, but since it's changed into an office building/washeteria, they are hardly alone anymore.

My sister was the manager of the washeteria, so she was alone there often. She did hear and see things, but it didn't phase her since she figured it was harmless. One night, after she finished cleaning and it was about time to close, she noticed how bad the mop head was, and there wasn't any spare mop heads around. So she said out loud, "It would be nice to have a new mop head." After that she got ready and closed up shop. Now, the washeteria closes way later than the one and only store, which closes at 5:00. The very next day when she opened the washeteria, which opens at the same time of the store, there was a brand new mop head, still in the packaging right on the top of her desk. So she kindly thanked whomever gave her a new mop head.

She also has a bunch of similar stories with the place she lives in, since one of the previous owners died in it from some sort of cancer, except the spirit would hide things and she would have to ask him to help her find it, which would appear where she had left it afterwards.

There's quite a bit of other places around here that are said to be haunted, due to being built on top of a grave. The construction site for the new power module (iirc) and a different construction site (I forgot which one) had dug up a skeleton from the late 1800s/early 1900s.

I have been alone at work quite a number of times, but I have yet to experience anything out of the ordinary. Same goes to the number of haunted places and such I visited on various trips, so I must be a defunct medicine man :/
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Re: Paranormal.

Postby Pwolf » Tue Oct 13, 2009 10:05 pm

Not really a ghost story or UFO related but crazy non-the-less:

They say twins have a linked mind (ESP, what ever you want to call it). In school people would come up to me and my brother and ask if they punched one of us, would the other feel it? lol... I was never punched cause everyone liked my brother and didn't want to take the risk :P other then just kidding around about it, when we were younger my brother used to have night terrors a lot. When he first started having them, it would wake me up all the time and I would go to his room to help calm him down. After a certain point I didn't wake up at all and just slept through them. But I did wake up... I used to get up (sleep walk) a few minutes before he would and stand next to his door and wait. then he would have an episode and after he was done, I would go back to sleep and not remember it. The only way I knew about it is when my mom told me the next day.
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Re: Paranormal.

Postby Moonlight Soldier » Tue Oct 13, 2009 11:46 pm

I can't really think of anything that's happened to me recently.

But I'd like to believe in things, such as Atlantis and whatnot. Actually, we did a story I think last summer, about a paranormal show that went to this lake in B.C. where a Lockness-esque monster proportedly lives. My bosses made me fun of me because, they are speculating about how useless it was blah blah blah since the team basically came back and said, "Oh hey, we didn't find anything, but there's places we couldn't get to, etc. etc."

To which I said,

"Frankly, if I was some arcane water beastie, I think I'd be smart enough by now to avoid a team of divers and their cameras." (I actually, used those words, which is probably why they laughed at me so much.) But, it's what I think.
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Re: Paranormal.

Postby dwchang » Tue Oct 13, 2009 11:46 pm

Pwolf wrote:Not really a ghost story or UFO related but crazy non-the-less:

They say twins have a linked mind (ESP, what ever you want to call it). In school people would come up to me and my brother and ask if they punched one of us, would the other feel it? lol... I was never punched cause everyone liked my brother and didn't want to take the risk :P other then just kidding around about it, when we were younger my brother used to have night terrors a lot. When he first started having them, it would wake me up all the time and I would go to his room to help calm him down. After a certain point I didn't wake up at all and just slept through them. But I did wake up... I used to get up (sleep walk) a few minutes before he would and stand next to his door and wait. then he would have an episode and after he was done, I would go back to sleep and not remember it. The only way I knew about it is when my mom told me the next day.


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Re: Paranormal.

Postby EvaFan » Wed Oct 14, 2009 3:41 am

My dads first kid from his first marriage died in its sleep, I think 7 months old. Doctors back then couldn't figure out why. Today were guessing it was a heart failure, the heart just stopped or something. The same thing happened to my uncle's child 4 months old. My fear is that it's in the gene pool somewhere which means it might happen to one of mine.

Anyway weeks after the baby died whenever he passed that room in the hallway he could hear the baby crying at night. He ended up tearing that room apart, the walls, the floor, everything damn near went insane then joined the military to get his life straightened out after going through a divorce.

When I was 6 I had a SEVERE phobia of spiders to the point of schizophrenia. I still do though not as bad as then. I had nightmares, would see dark spider looking figures running across the blankets, floors when the lights were off, would see moving spider webs in the air. I remember screaming a few times just to get my mom to walk me to the bathroom. Then she bought me a nightlight and slowly got past that problem. Still got the phobia though.

I don't believe in the paranormal but I do believe in psychosis. A state of mind that you set for yourself voluntarily or involuntarily to the point of perfectly explainable events become the paranormal, or percept things through the senses that aren't actually present.

I do remember seeing something that is really hard to explain though (Never really did explain it)... Back when I lived in Kansas there was a park in our neighborhood. I was walking home with some friends after going to Braum's for ice cream. Crane Park was abandoned around 9:00 cause curfew was 10 there cept during the summer. Here's some google map Pics:
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In the park there are swings (The big red circle), and behind those are animal like things placed on top of springs that rock back and forth like a solo seesaw (The two smaller circles). At the very front an actual seesaw. It was just a normal night. Absolutely nothing out of the ordinary night. Me and 2 friends were walking down that sidewalk and we saw both of the animal seesaws springing back and forth without anyone on them. THERE WAS NO WIND! I remember saying vividly that there was no wind. Even the swings weren't moving. So we stood there arguing over who was to go and inspect it then looked over and when we looked back over at some point only the one on the right was now springing back and forth by itself (They were moving back and forth pretty damn fast originally but now only that one was, even if there was wind it wouldn’t of been strong enough to do that, I remember thinking this as well). We talked Dan into going over there. For a few moments he just stood there peering around it then he touched it and it slowly stopped rocking back and forth and went into resting position. After that we walked to my house freaked the hell out. Never really told anyone about this either. Weirdest thing I ever seen.
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Re: Paranormal.

Postby ZephyrStar » Wed Oct 14, 2009 10:26 am

AWESOME stuff guys.

I have a few things to add, though these are more scientific than anything, but just the idea and scale of some of them are a mindfsk. Alright, so everybody's heard of the big bang theory, and has probably heard the term "quantum entanglement" thrown around. What does quantum entanglement mean exactly? In layman's terms it means that two particles that are "entangled" can be light years apart but still communicate with each other somehow. Like if I have a photon with a certain spin on it, and it's entangled with another one halfway across the universe, if I flip the spin on one, instantaneously the spin on the other one would flip to match.

So what? Well, if all the matter in the universe sprang from a central event, that everything we know and feel and see and touch and hear was at one point part of the same thing. The theory is that EVERYTHING IN EXISTENCE is entangled, and that this may be the basis for how precognition and other psychic abilities work (if they exist). This could also even support the idea of telekinesis. If thought can somehow affect the quantum states of enough particles, could you make the object those particles are made from change?

There are several ongoing experiments to find out if this is the case, and so far there are interesting results. I remember hearing about one researcher who got a huge group of anonymous people together online to focus all their attention for the period of like 15 minutes on a particular target, I think it was a body of water, to try and change the pH of the water with their intention. There have also been experiments run with 'random' number generators that change their outputs if they are observed by a person directly.

(And on the subject of the big bang, most people visualize a ginormous explosion taking place at some central point. The "new" model of the big bang says that the universe is already as "big" as it is going to get, but that matter sprang up everywhere in the universe all at once. This is supported by the idea that everything in the observable universe is moving away from everything else at an exponentially increasing speed.)

(Another neat article I read on slashdot a while back said something to the effect that a huge area of the universe was discovered moving in a particular direction much faster than normal, and that the only thing that could account for this would either be LOTS of dark matter or dark energy, or a super huge object outside of the known universe O_O;)
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Re: Paranormal.

Postby Ileia » Wed Oct 14, 2009 12:07 pm

Haha, that reminds me. When I was flying back from Vegas I was browsing through the Sky Mall catalog and they had a "telekinesis obstacle course" advertised in there. Wonder if I can find it...


Oh, hey, yeah. I want this for Christmas.

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Re: Paranormal.

Postby godix » Wed Oct 14, 2009 2:39 pm

Not that it's that important, or relevant to the thread, but I'm absolutely convinced current science is wrong on how the universe works. We're close enough for most purposes, but we're still missing something fundamental. Kind of like how Newtonian physics is close enough for most purposes, enough so we still use it in many cases, but it's still wrong. Once Einstein realized that our understand of physics changed entirely. A couple reasons I believe that's gonna happen again -

Our current theories say there has to be X amount of matter/energy for galaxies to work as we observe them working. We can't find X amount. So we call the theoretical required amount we can't find 'dark matter' and 'dark energy'. That would be fine if it were a reasonably small percent, we can't observe everything after all, but these days they're claiming that 95% of the universe is dark. Since theoretical predictions expect twenty times more mass/energy than we can find, I think it's time to question the theories.

Another example, the Pioneer anomaly. The brief overview is that four different spacecraft have very small unexplained differences in velocity from what theory predicts. They are small enough, and we have few spacecraft far enough from the sun to detect this, that we can't be sure the effect is real or what causes it. However it is possible that there is a flaw in our theories, and this is one possibility being actively explored. Just because the detected effect is small doesn't mean the explanation can't revolutionize physics, after all Einstein was proved right by a relatively small discrepancy between Mercury's motion and Newtonian predictions.

Of course there's also the entire attempt to get Einsteinium physics and Quantum physics to work together nicely. Lord knows what physics will be like once that elephant in the room is solved.

So basically, before you start getting too much into your pseudo-scientific explanations it might be a good idea to remember the science isn't proven, can change, and given the unknowns scientist still are working on probably will change.
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