Patriotism! ... and health care ...?

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Re: Patriotism! ... and health care ...?

Postby EvaFan » Sat Oct 10, 2009 1:49 am

Sad thing is most of us citizens deserve one just for not raging up till this point.
"The people cannot be [...] always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to [...] the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to public liberty. What country can preserve its liberties, if it's rulers are not warned [...] that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants."-Thomas Jefferson
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Re: Patriotism! ... and health care ...?

Postby guy07 » Mon Mar 22, 2010 3:00 pm

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Re: Patriotism! ... and health care ...?

Postby kenisama » Tue Mar 23, 2010 4:40 am

I couldn't find a Smilies blowing it's brains out :uhoh: we're on a one-way ticket to extreme debt!
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Re: Patriotism! ... and health care ...?

Postby BasharOfTheAges » Tue Mar 23, 2010 6:34 am

I <3 the canned responses and party-line libel/slander warghbbl. It's so entertaining.
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Re: Patriotism! ... and health care ...?

Postby ZephyrStar » Tue Mar 23, 2010 9:29 am

I'm patriotic... to the human race.

I could write a novel here, but I'll just simply say that yes, I love this country, I love my home and I am continually thankful for everything I have, but I am continually saddened by the insane greed. EVERYTHING stems from it.
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Re: Patriotism! ... and health care ...?

Postby CodeZTM » Tue Mar 23, 2010 6:17 pm

Not touching the topic with a 10 foot pole.
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Re: Patriotism! ... and health care ...?

Postby guy07 » Tue Mar 23, 2010 6:35 pm

You may not all support socialized health care, but if you have a accident at work and get seriously hurt it would suck if you couldn't go to the hospital just cuz you couldn't afford it. I know nobody wants to pay more taxes and ya it's probably gonna put you in debt more but when you think about peoples lives resting on this bill it's no comparison as far as i'm concerned. You just can't compare money and human lives.
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Re: Patriotism! ... and health care ...?

Postby CodeZTM » Tue Mar 23, 2010 6:37 pm

guy07 wrote:You just can't compare money and human lives.


Actually, people do, can and will on a daily basis in Washington. Or you can turn on FoxNews.
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Re: Patriotism! ... and health care ...?

Postby BasharOfTheAges » Tue Mar 23, 2010 6:46 pm

Code wrote:Or you can turn on FoxNews.

Why would you do that to yourself?
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Re: Patriotism! ... and health care ...?

Postby CodeZTM » Tue Mar 23, 2010 6:48 pm

BasharOfTheAges wrote:
Code wrote:Or you can turn on FoxNews.

Why would you do that to yourself?


Masochistic tendencies.
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Re: Patriotism! ... and health care ...?

Postby kenisama » Wed Mar 24, 2010 4:02 am

I feel that way watching any news network. And yes, there was a need to change our health care system, I just don't feel a hastily thrown together plan was the way to go. But what do I know, I'm just a fear mongering slanderer. I've already stated my views on this same thread, besides, I knew this website leans to the left when I stated the above ^__^ cheers!
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Re: Patriotism! ... and health care ...?

Postby CodeZTM » Fri Mar 26, 2010 12:16 pm

This sums up my thoughts pretty well. [A little spill somebody I really respect as a person posted online.]

Some would call the debate going in the US ‘heated’ or ‘impassioned’. I call it dangerous.

You can argue a point with someone without hating them. You can disagree with everything they say without throwing a brick through their window.

Can’t you?

Look at someone like Glenn Beck, who is so full of spite and anger, and incites his viewers into a frenzy. On paper, the Tea Party Movement is a peaceful group who opposes government spending. In reality, many Tea Party Movement members are extremists filled with hate who are on their way to becoming vigilantes, attacking anyone on an opposing side. You also have Al Sharpton, who will use any tragedy to his own advantage.

I’ve listened to senators, congressmen and governors say things I wouldn’t utter in while in a drunken stupor in a bar.

It should be noted that I place the blame on both sides of this latest row.

The worst part of all of this, is that the majority of what people are slinging is not based on facts, but instead on assumptions, hearsay and whatever hate-speak is being published/produced as ‘news’.

This needs to be stopped before it gets worse. A country should be led by debate, facts and bi-partisanship.

Not a mob carrying signs and pitchforks.



I think this is becoming a bit too much. The media [on both sides] is becoming nothing more than witch hunts and trying to basically topple control of the government back into their favor, with the country split in half.

I saw online somewhere [youtube IIRC] where members of the tea party movement [being coerced by a senator] was talking about the Velvet Revolution, and wanting to create a similar one and take over their government. Granted, it was an EXTREME example, but this is an extreme situation.

Health Care was just the finishing blow that was our country's heated debate that started back in 08' with Obama's election. The Republicans AND Democrats both became a frenzied crazy maniac party. Albeit, when power changes hands like that, it's going to be a little turbulent, but MY GOD It's been 2 years now. You'd think they get over it by now. >_<

I dunno. I just honestly think it's getting out of hand. And while I'm not going to be like all the idiots parading around going "IMA MOVIN TO MEXICO!", I'm definitely losing a lot of respect and love I've always had with this country.
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Re: Patriotism! ... and health care ...?

Postby downwithpants » Fri Mar 26, 2010 12:50 pm

mm, the problem isn't that congressmen aren't doing what they are supposed to do, the problem is that they are the voice of "the people" and "the people" are stupid.
/dictatorship
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Re: Patriotism! ... and health care ...?

Postby BasharOfTheAges » Fri Mar 26, 2010 3:10 pm

The scary part in all of this is that groups like the KKK and the neo-nazis are jumping on board and are becoming more legitimized because hate is becoming a normal thing.
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Re: Patriotism! ... and health care ...?

Postby kenisama » Fri Mar 26, 2010 7:32 pm

downwithpants wrote:mm, the problem isn't that congressmen aren't doing what they are supposed to do, the problem is that they are the voice of "the people" and "the people" are stupid.
/dictatorship


That's some scary stuff... you do realize you are "the people" right? I love America, I accept it with all it's good and bad. And I'm grateful I have the right to complain about the things I hate and hopefully, our way of life isn't altered. I certainly do hope you aren't inferring that America should be a dictatorship.
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