See ? That's exactly what I meant about people with a persecution complex. Get over it.
You cry about people trying to influence your beliefs, but you think you have the right to push yours on others ? Hypocrite.
Main Entry: fact
Pronunciation: \ˈfakt\
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin factum, from neuter of factus, past participle of facere
Date: 15th century
1: a thing done: as aobsolete : feat b: crime <accessory> carchaic : action
2archaic : performance, doing
3: the quality of being actual : actuality <a>
4 a: something that has actual existence <space> b: an actual occurrence <prove>
5: a piece of information presented as having objective reality
— in fact : in truth
Sukunai wrote:Science is not about respect. Science is just a search for knowledge.
In the scientific community, if you utter a claim of scientific fact, that attacks current scientific fact, and claims the currently accepted facts are in error, you either have iron clad proof, that can be repeated, and defended under extreme scrutiny, or you get told your facts are full of shit.
DocQuaSky wrote:See ? That's exactly what I meant about people with a persecution complex. Get over it.
You cry about people trying to influence your beliefs, but you think you have the right to push yours on others ? Hypocrite.
And I said that it can't be proved scientifically, so you'll never be satisfied with an explination. I can't prove it to you, you can't disprove it to me. Further discussion is pointless, now I'm going to go have breakfast.Sukunai wrote:I am not required to prove a soul exists, they/you are required to prove it does.
Sukunai wrote:DocQuaSky wrote:See ? That's exactly what I meant about people with a persecution complex. Get over it.
You cry about people trying to influence your beliefs, but you think you have the right to push yours on others ? Hypocrite.
Assuming that was directed at me, I am not "pushing" beliefs on anyone.
I have never "believed" in anything I have said in this topic.
I don't allow "belief" to rule my existence.
Dictionary.com wrote:be·lief (bĭ-lēf') n.
Mental acceptance of and conviction in the truth, actuality, or validity of something.
Sukunai, Real Canadian Hero wrote:Note to any Muslims present. Abuse a female in my presence, and you are being sent to a hospital emergency ward with life threatening injuries. And no human law will make me change my mind.
Sukunai wrote:"Christianity is about accepting people for who they are, and refraining from judging others. It's about accepting Jesus as our Savior, and realizing that He died for our sins, all in order for us to get into Heaven. Not only that, but by living by the Bible and Its Word."
Sounds all nice and warm and fuzzy.
Then you are forced to remember things like, these same people refuse to leave their religion at home.
They insist on enacting laws slanted in their favour.
Death penalty, I'm for it, they are not. Why are they not for it? Oh it's their religious beliefs.
Abortion, oh you can bet their religion will show up for this one.
Gays getting married, yep, they will impose their will on that too.
Age of majority, this is also a religiously driven decision.
Legality of doing weed, heck they even show up here.
These non judgmental Christians are simply incapable of being non judgmental.
They will claim nearly anything in order to get their way.
And they usually do, because in a democracy, the most votes wins.
Which I think is why they are so scared of Islam, as those Muslims are breeding like rabbits while the Christian world is in decline. Heck there are more and more Muslims showing up, even though they have a fondness for killing their young off in Jihads (you never see old suicide bombers for some reason).
The only way to sell Christianity, in a fashion that holds true to the message, is to make it so appealing, that I demand you let me have it too.
Telling me I'm going to hell for being a sinner" yeah that's really great marketing.
Stomping all over my rights? yeah pissing me off is a good way to influence me.
Actually STOP telling me how to run my life, and I might believe you don't actually want to.
Now I'd like to argue a point (and try not to sound like a jackass while doing it): Most religions can be traced back to a period in time when they were established. None of them were around since the dawn of time or whatever. So how would you go about explaining that? One could say that they were started 'out of thin air', or you could argue that it just took us a while to realize that the big guy exists. One could even go as far to argue that we became smarter over time and eventually became 'enlightened' to the presence of god, which would also explain why we didn't know about him 4,000 years ago. Sorry if i'm throwing people off track, i just thought i'd try to see things from the other side of the debate.

Copycat_Revolver wrote:To clarify, though, I am an atheist as well. And I despise organized religion fiercely. However, I think the problem with it is the "organized" part. Groups of people who use their religion as a moral highground to undermine the natural rights of others is a plague and a cancer eating at the intestines of society.
Even so, I don't think every person who believes in god should instantly be condemned if their faith is what gets them through the day without gouging their own eyes out with a letter opener.
CodeChrono wrote:However, Christians are targeted for discrimination just the same as all the other religions. People are suing the Churches for insane things. We're not allowed to say what we believe. The world is slowly silencing our beliefs.Our youth are being forced to practice other religious rites that we don't believe in, and are punished for not doing so.
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