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Postby guy07 » Fri Jul 25, 2008 12:05 pm

Dr. Unlimited R Ice PH.D wrote: So yeah, I've grown up believing in God and it's hard to like, not believe in God anymore, but I still completely understand if someone doesn't believe in him.

Interesting ...why is is hard to not believe in god? Because you've spent your whole life with people telling you he exists? Or have you drawn your own conclusions? If so, could you elaborate on them?
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Postby Coffee 54 » Fri Jul 25, 2008 2:19 pm

The Surgeon General wrote:Secondly, while I come from a decidedly Catholic heritage (Irish and Italian) my dad never raised me to be Catholic. Instead, we traveled around to this and that. We ALWAYS went to church of some sort, but it flopped around a lot before landing on Jehovah's Witnesses, the most extreme of all the ones he tried.


I actually have a similar story to yours, except I actually ended up a Witness. Ironically, my mom was directed to them by a Catholic priest who wanted her to stop bugging him. "If you want to know about the bible talk to Jehovah's Witnesses." My father remained Catholic so both religions influnced the earily part of my life.

On another religion related note, when I was in Tokyo last year I was able to meet my Japanese Japanese counterparts my Vietnamese Japanese counterparts but not my English speaking Japanese counterparts. I sat in an empty Hall for half an hour before figuring out they were all at an assembly in Chiba. A big part of the reason I'm going back to Tokyo this year is to meet Japanese Witnesses I can actually talk to.
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Postby Beowulf » Fri Jul 25, 2008 3:50 pm

I don't really "practice", but if I were to label myself, it would be as a sufi muslim.

Most of the atheists Ive met aren't very happy people. Personally I think its pretty ridiculous to think that this is all an accident, or the product of 500 monkeys banging on typewriters, or whatever analogy people are using today.

Also an FYI, the Bible has been re-written many more times than the Qur'an. The Qur'an has been re-written yes, but not the umpteen bajillion times that the bible has.
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Postby BasharOfTheAges » Fri Jul 25, 2008 4:35 pm

Beowulf wrote:Most of the atheists Ive met aren't very happy people.
Combine the grim realization that death is final with resentment that religious folk are allowed to shape politics and social circumstances with bigoted positions towards gays, women, children, other religions, etc. under the untouchable reasoning of "hey it's my religious belief - deal with it" and you do get a lot of bitterness and unhappiness. That's usually in people that are atheist as a statement, and not in those millions that truly are but are afraid to admit it, or those that just don't care.
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Postby Otohiko » Fri Jul 25, 2008 4:43 pm

BasharOfTheAges wrote:
DOKTOP KPbI/\OB wrote:Before you get religious, you need to get informed. Blind faith leads nowhere.
Now this is counter to the main point religion serves.


I would be careful about that.

It's easy to forget that religion is not neccesarily the same as creed or dogma. The Quakers I mentioned are one (but not only) example of a religion that refuses to specify the former and rejects the latter. Same as it's easy to forget that religion does not neccesarily imply a concept of God. Confusianism is an example of an atheist religion, and some forms of socialism certainly developed into what was arguably religious (and some were deliberately designed as such - for example writer Maxim Gorky's efforts in the early 1900s to develop a form of Communism by taking a Christian framework and supplanting the notion of God within it with a collective consciousness of the working class, which was to be worshipped in a church - he hadn't succeeded and eventually ended up at odds with the Soviet regime that he helped create).

And atheists aren't neccesarily unhappy. It's just an argument theistic dogmatists like to throw around, because they have a notion of happiness that is grounded in their dogma, and like to contrast it with a (false) materialist notion of happiness - as if there's only two kinds of happiness in the world.
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Postby Orwell » Fri Jul 25, 2008 4:45 pm

Yahweh raped Jeremiah. All I ever need to know about the bible. :roll:
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Postby Savia » Fri Jul 25, 2008 5:50 pm

I was raised Anglican, skipped past that into a Quaker school, and now would consider myself non-denominational Christian with Quaker leanings and a little hesitation.
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Postby godix » Fri Jul 25, 2008 9:13 pm

guy07 wrote:As for humans being so special, haven't any of you heard of the Drake Equation? It's impossible for us to be the only intelligent life forms in the universe.
Seems to me like most of you are putting us up on a pedestal ...

Your ability to take ignorance to new levels constantly astounds me. It's easy to be some random dumbshit that believes aliens are fucking them up the ass with huge metal rods. It's fairly easy to know about the drake equation and realize it means exactly fuck all. But to know what the drake equation is and STILL believe it proves anything, wow, that level of idiocy actually requires effort.
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Postby Sukunai » Fri Jul 25, 2008 9:34 pm

Find the flaw in this sentence.

quoting the OP

"Ok, so as most of you probably know, I'm an Atheist. I believe you are born, live then die."

You used the word "believe".

I am not an atheist, because they are ruled by beliefs as much as any religious person.

I don't run my life on beliefs, I'll stick with cold impersonal harsh facts.

There is no no known label for those of us that are neither religious, or atheist.

There simply is no god. I have no trouble stating that as fact.
You go right ahead and "believe" anything you want though. Life is too short to expect me to waste my finite time ensuring you don't waste your finite time.

If you don't like modern science, I'll get over it.

You were born from a simple act of sex, you live a duration of time which is with a bit of luck longer than minutes or days.
You get to hopefully enjoy your life and with a bit of luck you can even create a bit of life as well.
You grow old and with a bit of luck the word old even applies.
Then you die, and experience what everyone that has ever died has experienced.

Which none of the living have a fucking clue about.

And remember people, I do not need to provide you with a correct answer to the meaning of life. I merely need to provide evidence you don't have the answer either.

This is the problem with religion. We proved they were full of shit a loooooong time ago. They simply don't like it.
They stomp their feet, and point to how our science books are always being corrected, and they think that proves we are wrong.
No, it just proves we still don't have all the correct answers.
And religion is still full of shit at the end of the day.

It's great for crowd control though.
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Postby inthesto » Fri Jul 25, 2008 10:01 pm

You'd think that a topic would start at rock bottom with guy07, but Sukunai busts out the fucking jackhammer of retardation.
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Postby Otohiko » Fri Jul 25, 2008 10:55 pm

Yingface, PsyD wrote:You'd think that a topic would start at rock bottom with guy07, but Sukunai busts out the fucking jackhammer of retardation.
x2 :roll:
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Postby NS » Fri Jul 25, 2008 11:32 pm

DOKTOP KPbI/\OB wrote:
Yingface, PsyD wrote:You'd think that a topic would start at rock bottom with guy07, but Sukunai busts out the fucking jackhammer of retardation.
x2 :roll:

x3

I also like that his whole post can be summed up with the words "I'm an agnostic"
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Postby The Origonal Head Hunter » Fri Jul 25, 2008 11:57 pm

PhysicianStrudel wrote:I also like that his whole post can be summed up with the words "I'm an agnostic"
More correctly as "I am nothing." Since agnostics don't know if there's a god or not, where as he said flat out there is no god.
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Postby x_rex30 » Sat Jul 26, 2008 12:56 am

I guess I wouldn't mind being an atheist, but they scared me away when a bunch started this atheist movement on youtube.

They attack what my position is a lot, agnostic and make claims like we believe the easter bunny could exist.. then I started to see a lot of these people in this movement to be a bit loony and a bit close minded.

I think some of the worst things imaginable that have happened in this world were from people going off making concrete conclusion on things that don't have concrete evidence.

I only like to look at evidence, just because I think there may be a possibility of the spirit or god doesn't mean I will believe anything is possible that hasn't been disproved.. and that's my problem with a lot of atheists is certain logical fallacies they use.

Religions use this a lot and so does the media.

I haven't studied enough about reasoning using logical fallacies.. but I hope I'm using the right term to describe how they manipulate reasoning.
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Postby guy07 » Sat Jul 26, 2008 1:25 am

godix wrote: It's fairly easy to know about the drake equation and realize it means exactly fuck all. But to know what the drake equation is and STILL believe it proves anything, wow, that level of idiocy actually requires effort.

True. It's just an equation. Until it is proven right, it means jack shit. I'm not saying aliens exist. I'm saying i think there's a chance that aliens exist. I'm the type of person who doesn't believe something until they see/experience it first hand.

As for Atheists being all emo ... I'd say i'm a pretty happy camper most of the time. And to be honest I'm actually sort of excited to find out what happens after life. Don't get you're hopes up guys, I'm not suicidal. I'm pretty sure it's just "lights out" when you die. But i have to admit, an afterlife would be sort of cool ...there IS that whole 21 grams thing.
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