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Postby Fall_Child42 » Tue Mar 25, 2008 5:22 pm

"For this reason, the study of ethics is also often called "moral philosophy.""

WTF AM I SUPPOSED TO WRITE THIS PAPER ON?

(I should probably just write about if it's ethical instead of moral ... because the word moral doesn't seem to have a definition thats arguable)
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Postby Orwell » Tue Mar 25, 2008 5:25 pm

Fall_Child42 wrote:What are morals?


Pesky things society uses to oppress your rise to power.
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Postby Kitsuner » Tue Mar 25, 2008 5:27 pm

CodeChrono wrote:It's only safe to assume that prostitution (the selling of sexual intercourse for profit usually outside of a marrige and meant to be a temporary pleasure) is also a sin.

But what if the prostitution is WITHIN a marriage?

Example: a wife offers her husband sex in exchange for him to fix the roof or something. Prostitution? Yes.

But is it a sin?
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Postby CodeZTM » Tue Mar 25, 2008 5:57 pm

Kitsuner wrote:
CodeChrono wrote:It's only safe to assume that prostitution (the selling of sexual intercourse for profit usually outside of a marrige and meant to be a temporary pleasure) is also a sin.

But what if the prostitution is WITHIN a marriage?

Example: a wife offers her husband sex in exchange for him to fix the roof or something. Prostitution? Yes.

But is it a sin?


Touche...

However, a sin is defined as something that makes you farther away from God.

If you are having sex with your wife inside of your marrige, and there is some sort of payment involved, and as long as it does not make you farther away from God, then no, it's not a sin.

And of course, we have the idea that while things are a sin, they are also capable of being forgiven. That is the difference, however, between religion and morality. While morals usually have a social consequence, religious based morals can be forgiven. Remember, Mary Magdalene was a prostitute. However, Jesus forgave her for her choices in life.

We also have the biblical tale of the woman who had an affair in her marrige. She therefore was brought before Christ. During those days, it was a law that fornicators out of marrige were to be stoned to death. They told Jesus what she had done, and then asked what he thought they should do. He then said, "Let the man who hath not sinned throw the first stone".

@Fall: Why don't you actually tell us your full essay topic (I'm sure it's more than just that one sentance).
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Postby Fall_Child42 » Tue Mar 25, 2008 6:34 pm

CodeChrono wrote:@Fall: Why don't you actually tell us your full essay topic (I'm sure it's more than just that one sentance).


Essay assignment wrote:What, if anything, is morally wrong with prostitution? Should there be laws that regulate prostitution, and if so what sort of laws (for example, like tobacco laws, a ban on advertising, a minimum age for users, or like medical laws, regulation of who, where, and when, ec.)?


Dar you go.

I don't like the fact Morals are equated with legality ... and I'm pretty sure that he meant that just as an example.
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Postby BasharOfTheAges » Tue Mar 25, 2008 6:53 pm

yea... morality and legality are definitely not the same thing - see: despotism.

It's regulated in Nevada and in other parts of the world as well, so it's not like there isn't any test case of which to speak.
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Postby Otohiko » Tue Mar 25, 2008 7:01 pm

I'm still trying to gather my thoughts on the topic. Since Code_Chrono spoke from his point of view on morality, I'll offer up mine as well - I don't believe in objective morals as such. There's purely nothing wrong with a set of personal values. A culture can have cultural values. A religion can have religious values. But I dislike their elevation to objective status which they don't deserve, simply by virtue of being easy to reverse by simply stating an alternative point of view on similarly-symbolic ground. What does morality flow from? Why can't marriage be a sin and prostitution be considered a superior sexual arrangement, preferable to a marriage contract? If A, why not B?

I'm not trying to demean any single point actually. From my own perspective, I also believe that marriage is right and prostitution is wrong. This, to me personally, stems from purely social and psychological influences, and an objective view of the prostitution "industry" as, shall we say, not the nicest place to be. I can recognize where prostitution could be justifyable, both from the point of view of the client and the provider. Pragmatically speaking, where prostitution is a consensual exchange between two people with no shady mediation, risks, or damaged relationships involved - why not?

Generally speaking, my own take against promiscuosity has nothing to do with morality. I believe in personal relationships as being (usually implicit) contracts to be honoured. Where hurt feelings and broken promises are concerned, I don't think there's any question that it's ETHICALLY wrong to sleep with other people, for money or not. A person who can cheat their conscience (in an ethical sense) loses dignity (in a human sense). I then believe this person to have betrayed his/her credibility and must live with repercussions of his/her actions. These repercussions are inevitable and will catch up one way or another.

Where prostitutes are concerned, I would be pragmatic. Why are they doing it? What are they doing it for? Those who are forced into prostitution are victims. What is being done to them is rightly criminal. Those who do it for money - this to me ethically depends on what the money is for. If it's something that a person requires to survive the next day, I think it's more than justifyable - better that they live with the repercussions of this than not live at all. If it's for a new iPod - well, their repercussion is rightly being called a whore. This is already going back into social values.

On personal values, I actually believe arranged marriages and searching for partners based on financial well-being or social status to be a form of prostitution.



But this doesn't really answer the question. Because I still can't talk about morals. :roll:
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Postby downwithpants » Tue Mar 25, 2008 9:03 pm

i wouldn't call prostitution immoral if practiced safely, but the money usually ends up going into buying crack, which leads to public health and societal problems.

morals have been defined as standards that tell us what actions are right and wrong. there are many different sets of standards though. why do we have morals? the benefit of having morals is to allow populations to live as civilizations - societies that are able to survive cooperatively. morals that help a society survive cooperatively will persist and spread as the societies adapting these morals persist and grow. some important ones, like do not murder and do not steal are universal.

as far as monogamy, there's the belief that the high tendencies towards violence in islamic nations comes down to the polygamous structure of their societies. the reasoning is that because a single man can have multiple women, lots of men end up without any women, and are willing to commit a greater range of actions for poon, including murder, terrorism and what not. based on this reasoning, monogamy (and serial polygamy) can be considered the moral alternative to polygamy, in that they lead to a society better able to survive cooperatively. on a broader scale, species that are polygamous are more competitive for the sex that must compete for mates. keep in mind, however, that monogamy is not 'natural' for humans. something to the effect of 98% of all human cultures in history are or were polygamous.

prostitution is something analagous to serial polygamy. you can have multiple mates, but the occupation of the mates is temporary and the prostitutes soon become available for other mates.

amsterdam has some set of government regulations on legal prostitution, so you can look at that for the legal part of your essay.
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Postby godix » Tue Mar 25, 2008 9:33 pm

Fall_Child42 wrote:Dar you go.

I don't like the fact Morals are equated with legality ... and I'm pretty sure that he meant that just as an example.

There's your hook. Go into the difference between morality, which is a personal thing, and legality, which is a societal thing. Cover how they are not and should not be the same. In fact strong arguments could be made that the laws that most encroach on individual freedoms are the so called blue laws that are there for the sole purpose of supporting someones idea of morality.
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Postby guy07 » Tue Mar 25, 2008 9:54 pm

Hm, this might sound expected but I believe prostitution should be legal, I'll give a few reasons:
-Currently, prostitutes are abused, beaten, raped, forced to do drugs and can't report to cops because, duh, they will be arrested for prostitution. That's not for sure, but it IS what they believe.
-There are people with physical disabilities or qualities that simply can't have sex the way they are, these people can get frustrated and turn into rapists. If they can pay someone for sex, tada, problem solved.
-Stuff like STD testing can be regulated, and use of condoms can be enforced by a law, as opposed to the girl saying "put on a condom" and the guy says "Fuck you, open ur lets or i'm beatin ur ass."
-There's prostitution in many countries, some do it better then others. But thinking something like "That's going to corrupt our morals!" Is stupid. Look at japan, less people die from murder in japan then most other countries by a large percent. And they legalized prostitution.

I could go on for hours, but my wrist hurts, so just go and watch that episode of pen and tellers Bullshit with prostitution in it. That should convince any nay sayers.
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Postby Serv0 » Tue Mar 25, 2008 11:55 pm

Blah Blah Blah
I think I'll skip all those long posts.

If there's one thing that prostitutes have shown me, it's this:
It's not what (or who) you do in life, but how you do it.
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Postby inthesto » Wed Mar 26, 2008 12:31 am

Moral subjectivism is stupid and boring, so I'm just gonna skip over that answer all together.

The tricky thing about judging something like this is that it's impossible to judge something like prostitution without immersing it inside of a culture or system or what have you. The simple act of selling sexual acts is - barring any religiously-based objections - a neutral act; it's neither moral or immoral. The question is what happens when you place it in an actual existing bubble of reality.

The whole associating prostitution with crime and drugs and whatever is likely a cultural thing. So yes, there is an answer in that when you sleep with a crack whore, thusly feeding her habit and probably perpetuating the system, you're doing an immoral thing. The problem is that this isn't the answer, if there is a single answer to be had at all.

I don't really feel like talking about this any more, because I don't honestly find it too interesting, but I felt like I had to drop in a dime or two after a few detailed answers.
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Postby Prodigi » Wed Mar 26, 2008 3:16 am

If she charges more than $50 then you're damn right it's immoral.
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Postby Prodigi » Wed Mar 26, 2008 3:17 am

guy07 wrote:-There are people with physical disabilities or qualities that simply can't have sex the way they are, these people can get frustrated and turn into rapists. If they can pay someone for sex, tada, problem solved.

Because Jack The Ripper was totally not getting any.
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Postby Fall_Child42 » Wed Mar 26, 2008 7:37 am

Deaf Jester wrote:
guy07 wrote:-There are people with physical disabilities or qualities that simply can't have sex the way they are, these people can get frustrated and turn into rapists. If they can pay someone for sex, tada, problem solved.

Because Jack The Ripper was totally not getting any.


You misread what he said and THAT's what you find wrong with this statement?
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