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Postby Orwell » Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:38 am

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Postby Otohiko » Sun Jan 27, 2008 10:33 am

Hah, the only book out of those that would be on my list is Crime and Punishment. (Well, maybe 1984, too).
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I'm surprised Ender's Game is up so high there...
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Postby BasharOfTheAges » Sun Jan 27, 2008 11:39 am

Someone fell asleep in statistics the day they covered relevance. Not surprising though - judging by the "findings" we get in most "studies" they must hold those classes at 3 AM on Saturday in the middle of a pond.
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Postby inthesto » Sun Jan 27, 2008 12:46 pm

The only book I bother to list as a favorite on my profile is The Princess Bride, which is notably absent.

Besides, the average person on Facebook just lists the most interesting crap they were forced to read in high school, and that chart makes it painfully obvious.
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Postby godix » Sun Jan 27, 2008 12:50 pm

Otohiko wrote:I'm surprised Ender's Game is up so high there...

I'm not, Ender's Game was little more than a power fantasy for nerds who always gets beaten up by all the other kids. I strongly suspect if there was a study between books read and the number of dates college kids have ever gone on then Ender's Game would be around the zero or one point.

Although as Bashar pointed out, the link isn't exactly without flaws.
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Postby Serv0 » Sun Jan 27, 2008 1:13 pm

I do admit one thing though. That graph does prove that this book beats all the rest.
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Postby godix » Sun Jan 27, 2008 1:24 pm

servo101010 wrote:I do admit one thing though. That graph does prove that this book beats all the rest.

That book bored me. Around page 70 or so I was like 'ok, this is crap. There still isn't even a fucking plot. Just lots and lots of footnotes. Screw this.'
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Postby dwchang » Sun Jan 27, 2008 3:08 pm

inthesto wrote:Besides, the average person on Facebook just lists the most interesting crap they were forced to read in high school, and that chart makes it painfully obvious.


I'd have to agree wholeheartedly with this sentiment. I mean I am a bit surprised so many good books are on the lower end, but then realize that a lot of retards just put them there for no reason.

I was pleased to see the book I did my term paper on in HS near the top (Catch-22). Was also surprised not to see Harry Potter near the bottom (or at all on the list).

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Otohiko wrote:I'm surprised Ender's Game is up so high there...

I'm not, Ender's Game was little more than a power fantasy for nerds who always gets beaten up by all the other kids. I strongly suspect if there was a study between books read and the number of dates college kids have ever gone on then Ender's Game would be around the zero or one point.


As much as I loved Ender's Game as a child (Middle School maybe), I'd sadly have to concede that I agree.

I have a feeling that if a lot of the people who loved Ender's Game reread it today, they wouldn't be as pleased or impressed. I think it was so impressive when we were children because we hadn't experienced much literature and the idea of space fighting and it being with kids was AWESOME.

Don't get me wrong, I still like the thing, but I think upon re-evaluation a lot of people might realize a lot of their love for the book is nostalgia.

(I realize Brad is going to come in here and go "NO YOU'RE WRONG!" :P)
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Postby Tsunami Jones » Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:22 pm

dwchang wrote:As much as I loved Ender's Game as a child (Middle School maybe), I'd sadly have to concede that I agree.

I have a feeling that if a lot of the people who loved Ender's Game reread it today, they wouldn't be as pleased or impressed. I think it was so impressive when we were children because we hadn't experienced much literature and the idea of space fighting and it being with kids was AWESOME.

Don't get me wrong, I still like the thing, but I think upon re-evaluation a lot of people might realize a lot of their love for the book is nostalgia.

(I realize Brad is going to come in here and go "NO YOU'RE WRONG!" :P)


I didn't read Ender's Game until about two years ago or so, and honestly, I thought it had some rather deep ideas and concepts (power of information, etc.) that made me really wonder why it's really considered a "children's book." (BECAUSE IT HAS CHILDREN IN IT, OBVIOUSLY :P) when most children can't grasp at thematic elements.
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Postby Brad » Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:36 pm

dwchang wrote:
inthesto wrote:Besides, the average person on Facebook just lists the most interesting crap they were forced to read in high school, and that chart makes it painfully obvious.


I'd have to agree wholeheartedly with this sentiment. I mean I am a bit surprised so many good books are on the lower end, but then realize that a lot of retards just put them there for no reason.

I was pleased to see the book I did my term paper on in HS near the top (Catch-22). Was also surprised not to see Harry Potter near the bottom (or at all on the list).

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Otohiko wrote:I'm surprised Ender's Game is up so high there...

I'm not, Ender's Game was little more than a power fantasy for nerds who always gets beaten up by all the other kids. I strongly suspect if there was a study between books read and the number of dates college kids have ever gone on then Ender's Game would be around the zero or one point.


As much as I loved Ender's Game as a child (Middle School maybe), I'd sadly have to concede that I agree.

I have a feeling that if a lot of the people who loved Ender's Game reread it today, they wouldn't be as pleased or impressed. I think it was so impressive when we were children because we hadn't experienced much literature and the idea of space fighting and it being with kids was AWESOME.

Don't get me wrong, I still like the thing, but I think upon re-evaluation a lot of people might realize a lot of their love for the book is nostalgia.

(I realize Brad is going to come in here and go "NO YOU'RE WRONG!" :P)


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Postby Nessephanie » Sun Jan 27, 2008 6:19 pm

Tsunami Jones wrote:I didn't read Ender's Game until about two years ago or so, and honestly, I thought it had some rather deep ideas and concepts (power of information, etc.) that made me really wonder why it's really considered a "children's book." (BECAUSE IT HAS CHILDREN IN IT, OBVIOUSLY :P) when most children can't grasp at thematic elements.

I just read it not very long ago, and I thought it was awesome. I didn't see it as a kids book at all *shrugs*. I really enjoyed everything about it.
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Postby godix » Sun Jan 27, 2008 8:08 pm

Tsunami Jones wrote:I didn't read Ender's Game until about two years ago or so, and honestly, I thought it had some rather deep ideas and concepts (power of information, etc.) that made me really wonder why it's really considered a "children's book." (BECAUSE IT HAS CHILDREN IN IT, OBVIOUSLY :P) when most children can't grasp at thematic elements.

The book was ok but it kept ignoring the issues it brought up or, even worse, excusing them by ignorance. Peter's excessive cruelty was, mostly, just dropped. Ender murdered (twice) and neither time was there any exploration of permanent consequences to what starts as basic kid shit, it was written off in a rather off handed way as 'ender didn't know so everything is fine'. Even the genocide was mostly ignored and excused due to ignorance, although I've heard later books went more into that (I just read the bean sequels, the ender sequels bored me).

Also while I was reading the books I had a constant thought of 'Someone really needs to explain the idea of proportional response to Ender'. Ender had this idea that you must absolutely 100% destroy your enemy which made the apology of ignorance for genocide even more annoying since given his personality he wouldn't have seen any other way for a war to end than genocide.

Which is all a longish way of saying, the book didn't deal with any issues it brought up. Instead it was just a teenage nerds fantasy of 'if only I could kick my enemies asses and totally destroy them without getting grounded...'
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Postby Otohiko » Sun Jan 27, 2008 11:59 pm

Also, why does that list include "The Bible" and "The Holy Bible", with the latter obviously being conducive to mental retardation, whereas the former - less so? :roll:
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Postby Kalium » Mon Jan 28, 2008 12:51 am

Ender's Game is valuable because it hits adults over the head with just how vicious and cruel children can be. Adults like to whitewash their own childhoods, and forget how bad things could be. Ender's Game won't let you do that.

That is why Ender's Game is significant.
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Postby dokidoki » Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:24 am

Otohiko wrote:Also, why does that list include "The Bible" and "The Holy Bible", with the latter obviously being conducive to mental retardation, whereas the former - less so? :roll:

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