WGA Strike: Your thoughts?

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WGA Strike: Your thoughts?

Postby Yok/0 » Mon Nov 12, 2007 4:48 am

First Time I ever started threads like this in a long time forgive me.

Past few days everyone knows about the Writers Guild Of America on strike against Network channels such as FOX, CBS, and ABC, and even Comedy Central.

While Media seems to be quiet about this, I've found this very interesting, So interested that I've even subscribed to a youtube accound of the WGA who record their days counting up of their protest.

While My opinions are a bit mixxed with this. I like to know what everyone else thinks of this as well.

Most of all, is the protest effecting you in some sort of way, like a TV show is airing reruns due to this or do you prefer that the goals don't meet to do their hate towards the internet?

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Postby KholdStare88 » Mon Nov 12, 2007 4:59 am

As someone who only watch anime and game shows plus some reality series, I can't say it will affect me much. I will miss Family Guy, which is pretty much the only thing that will get affected. But overall, the amount of anime that I haven't watched is still pretty much infinite since I don't watch anime 24/7.

About the strike itself I really don't know what it's about. I've heard mixed reviews on this too, one side saying who cares because it's the rich wanting more money from the richer and it's just another Hollywood battle, and the other side arguing about fair share and how the richer is too rich. I'm leaning 60% for the first argument though, since I'd rather hear more important news about the world than this, but I recognize the impact that the strike has in America at least.
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Postby Yok/0 » Mon Nov 12, 2007 5:30 am

When it comes down to it, I feel for the same way about the Rich wanting more money from the even more Rich Body, but a deal of recieving only 3% of dvd royalty sales does sound pretty fucked.

Though I support them a little abit, i get this uncomfortable feeling that they think we need them to entertain us. For Starters heres the 2 cops/Writers of Reno 911 talking about how they're not gonna work for free.
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The link pretty much explains itself. Though this is the part I was saying earlier of it affecting us in any way?
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Postby JaddziaDax » Mon Nov 12, 2007 9:51 am

I watch self scripted crap on youtube more than I watch television... and the television I DO watch is like cartoons or stuff that's rather old and is already on DVD.

pretty much it's all DRAMA and squabbling over money... the rich want to get richer so that they can get that 5th car that they will never use. and the richer don't want to give up any of the money they are already making so they can get that 10th car that they don't use.

It's stupid and we throw away way too much at the people in Hollywood that the market is saturated and aspiring actors/film makers/writers/production staff have no room to go anywhere or achieve anything if they want to get into the business.

I say support the INDEPENDENT FILM INDUSTRY, or foreign films, neither seem to have their heads up their ass as the American Film and Television Industries.. (Most of the better movies/shows I've seen lately were from those genres anyways)
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and for the record most musicians receive less that 3% on CD sales.

I think that some of these writers are being rather selfish, and not looking at the big picture, acting like they alone carry a show when it takes several people to pull off a good show.

But I do believe that contracts for purely digital media should be negotiated but only because they don't exist yet. such as iTunes sales and amazon.com has been doing digital download sales.
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Postby Orwell » Mon Nov 12, 2007 10:38 am

I think it's hilarious myself, with Comedy Central declaring it 'comedy month' all of a sudden. Otherwise, good, go on strike, maybe they'll hire somebody who CAN write. Really, the companies should just hire a few people to find decent writers if they don't have staff who's at least marginally equipped to do that anyways, and terminate any contract they may have with the WGA.
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Postby CodeZTM » Mon Nov 12, 2007 10:43 am

Meh.

My Television watching includes: Law and Order (Old);The Nanny(Old); and Food Network. This doesn't really affect me.

But!

I think maybe a little raise in pay could be in order. Writers need to be appriciated more.
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Postby dokidoki » Mon Nov 12, 2007 11:22 am

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Postby Serv0 » Mon Nov 12, 2007 1:56 pm

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Postby BasharOfTheAges » Mon Nov 12, 2007 1:58 pm

Remember back when the actor's union decided to strike and they created a big campaign for old movies to be seen in theaters? People got excited and the strike ended up folding. I figure people will find enough other things to do or other things to watch. The only ones that'll raise a fuss will be the writers themselves and the people that can't physically get out of the house.
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Postby dokool » Mon Nov 12, 2007 2:16 pm

God there's a lot of stupid in this thread. Shame on you all.

The writers currently get 4 cents per DVD sold. They'd like 8. That's from 0.2% to 0.4% if you assume an MSRP of $19.99, less if you count a box set (I dunno, maybe they'd count it by episode? Who knows.)

On a whole, this does not seem unreasonable to me.


The writers would also like a cut of internet sales. The studios are trying to claim that because stuff like online viewing is for <i>promotional purposes</i>, it counts as advertising and they don't have to pay.

Promotional purposes, yet viewers are forced to endure advertising they can't skip, proprietary players, mandatory browsers, that sort of thing.


I'm not going to claim that the writers are perfect, especially in the realm of films - I think when the press is quoting the guy who wrote <i>Deuce Bigalow 2</i> then you're not exactly in a position of strength. However, when it comes down to it, for TV? Shows live and die by the writing and the acting. The average schmuck with the remote doesn't care about the direction, or the cinematography, or the soundtrack - they care about what the characters are saying (the writing) and how good they look while doing it (the acting).



The writers aren't exactly innocent, but the studios and producers are by far the bigger douches at the moment. And god dammit, when they run out of new episodes of Pushing Daisies there'll be hell to pay.
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Postby Otohiko » Mon Nov 12, 2007 2:51 pm

Yea, let's not go all "lololo hollywood sux" here. Ignoring the fact that I really don't care for TV writing at all, since I don't watch TV (and there's a good reason for that) - this is really about the right of creators to own and profit from their work. And I certainly think writers should get a fair share of their profits - but as in any arts-related business, seems the corporations tend to grab a more than reasonable chunk.

So in a limited way, these guys have my support. I don't give a damn for their writing, but they deserve a better deal for it I suppose.
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Postby aesling » Mon Nov 12, 2007 2:52 pm

dokool wrote:The writers aren't exactly innocent, but the studios and producers are by far the bigger douches at the moment. And god dammit, when they run out of new episodes of Pushing Daisies there'll be hell to pay.


They stopped streaming new ones off of abc.com, so I thought they already had ;_; (I don't currently have cable). I suppose if online viewing is a bone of contention though, it makes sense that it's been halted for the time being.

I agree that it doesn't seem unreasonable for TV writers to want a bigger cut. It seems like writing for tv isn't in any way a guaranteed business. Even if you have brilliant writing the show may still get yanked if it doesn't pull in the ratings (i.e. Arrested Development).
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Postby Zarxrax » Mon Nov 12, 2007 3:51 pm

Doesn't bother me in the slightest. It's not like these guys are performing some life or death job like a surgeon or something. I think we are all going to survive.
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Postby Yok/0 » Mon Nov 12, 2007 4:05 pm

dokool wrote:God there's a lot of stupid in this thread. Shame on you all.


That might be so, but this is their opinion. I appreciate your feed back on this as it was informative but just saying "they were wrong" would have been better :/.

I'm not going to claim that the writers are perfect, especially in the realm of films - I think when the press is quoting the guy who wrote Deuce Bigalow 2 then you're not exactly in a position of strength.


This is a chain pattern I've also been noticing when watching clips of the "writers."
It's the time like the protest that I wish I could participate only to come up to half of the writers to complain how much of their script was just a copy of another and then complain for my money back.

For those who've been talking about the Richer people screwing over the Rich people. This whole Protest isn't about More Money but a residual, a percentage of what the studio is going to get. Some people are thinking that Bigger Money means more Salary. The writers get more if the studio/producers get more, even the same way if they get less, they get less. But to have hardly no percentage it becomes a problem. Again thank you posting, Dokool.

But in all honesty I can only see a whole series 1 time only. Surely your not gonna sit at home one night watching Sex in the City season 3 on wed. XD

Otohiko wrote:Yea, let's not go all "lololo hollywood sux" here. Ignoring the fact that I really don't care for TV writing at all, since I don't watch TV (and there's a good reason for that)

Lol Yes I hope to keep this clean myself :P.


aesling wrote:I agree that it doesn't seem unreasonable for TV writers to want a bigger cut. It seems like writing for tv isn't in any way a guaranteed business. Even if you have brilliant writing the show may still get yanked if it doesn't pull in the ratings (i.e. Arrested Development).

:o can't wait to tell my brother's wife about what really happened with Arrested Development, thank you for posting ^^.

Zarxrax wrote:Doesn't bother me in the slightest. It's not like these guys are performing some life or death job like a surgeon or something. I think we are all going to survive.

2x.

I still don't know why people would bother getting a TV straight to dvd series like the Sopranos. If I remembered correctly people kept watching that series straight to the end every season, why would you want to relive all 6 seasons in the total of 86 episodes to see the final episode that got criticized the most. There was probably more people pissed off of that episode than 9/11
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Postby Orwell » Mon Nov 12, 2007 4:29 pm

Yoko+ wrote:I still don't know why people would bother geting a TV straight to dvd series like the Sopranos. If I remembered correctly people kept watching that series straight to the end every season, why would you want to relive all 6 seasons in the total of 86 episodes to see the final episode that got criticized the most. There was probably more people pissed off of that episode than 9/11


The fact that this is probably true is saddening.

As far as the actual financial issues go, I do support the WGA, however, "lololo hollywood sux". Or as mentioned the ratings for decent shows are often low, and thus perhaps it's more "lololo americans sux".
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