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Postby *inverse* » Fri Apr 27, 2007 12:59 pm

Ileia wrote:And I was not allowed to associate with anyone that was not one of Jehovah's Witnesses. Anyone else is considered a bad association. So, basically, you could try to convert people, but not be friends with them. Unless they convert.

Wow, I wasn't aware that there were those kinds of rules for JW's - that lifestyle must have been pretty difficult to adjust to, especially at that age.

I seem to recall having JW classmates in the past (back in elementary school). Whenever the class did anything for the holidays (such as crafts, stories and movies), they would leave the room and go do something else. I always thought it was a bummer for them to miss out on the fun stuff.

As for me, I am a Christian, and I consider my faith to be pretty important.
I don't need any justification for it.
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Postby Shazzy » Fri Apr 27, 2007 2:29 pm

Kalium wrote:I get to vote for my government. I don't get to vote for who has the religious power.


There are more religions to choose from than names on the presidential ballot.
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Postby Arigatomina » Fri Apr 27, 2007 6:10 pm

Shazzy wrote:There are more religions to choose from than names on the presidential ballot.

Yeah, but that's like choosing which country you'll live in. If you already picked a country, you still get a choice as to who runs it (assuming it's democratic). Pick a religion and you're stuck with whoever they've already chosen as the eternal unquestionable ruler. Don't like it? Move to a different country (change religions).

I think any religion would be fine if I had a say in the way it's run. But women can't be preachers/ministers/Pope/God in any of the religions I fancy, so nyah. :lol:
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Postby JaddziaDax » Fri Apr 27, 2007 6:29 pm

I was married by a woman O.o









... you could always make your own religion >.>
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Postby Ayanefan » Fri Apr 27, 2007 8:06 pm

Steph and I were married by a woman also, I went though it for her and the family's sake, wasn't a big deal for me. I'm very partial to Robert Munroe, amazing book "Far Journeys", such a great concept that we're just in our bodies to experience all types of lives, spiritual and physical. Constantly moving throughout the Universe and dimensions. *sigh*
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Postby Otohiko » Fri Apr 27, 2007 8:56 pm

Arigatomina wrote:Yeah, but that's like choosing which country you'll live in. If you already picked a country, you still get a choice as to who runs it (assuming it's democratic). Pick a religion and you're stuck with whoever they've already chosen as the eternal unquestionable ruler. Don't like it? Move to a different country (change religions).


That's a simplified way of looking at things too. I may have moved to a different country long ago, and spent a long time trying to escape my Russian-ness, until two years ago I realized that there was no escaping it and embraced it instead.

Religion is part of a cultural identity, and it's amazing how contrary to all reason and 'free will', a person is conditioned into a community. Once you're conditioned, it's hard to un-condition and sometimes doesn't make sense. Not to make a big deal of the comment, but like *inverse* said - "As for me, I am a Christian, and I consider my faith to be pretty important. I don't need any justification for it." That's cultural-ingrainedness right there, perfect example.

Throwing out a cultural identity is hard-to-impossible; it's especially relevant since your cultural conditioning happens early in your life when you've not yet developed critical thinking as such. Even after that, there's certain culture-forming experiences you can't escape where critical thinking waits outside.
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Postby Moonlight Soldier » Fri Apr 27, 2007 9:49 pm

I'm indifferent 8-)
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Postby Shazzy » Sat Apr 28, 2007 2:29 pm

Otohiko wrote:"As for me, I am a Christian, and I consider my faith to be pretty important. I don't need any justification for it." That's cultural-ingrainedness right there, perfect example.


I have a functioning digestive system, and I consider food to be pretty important. I don't need any justification for it.
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Postby Otohiko » Sat Apr 28, 2007 5:16 pm

Shazzy wrote:
Otohiko wrote:"As for me, I am a Christian, and I consider my faith to be pretty important. I don't need any justification for it." That's cultural-ingrainedness right there, perfect example.


I have a functioning digestive system, and I consider food to be pretty important. I don't need any justification for it.


I'm not quite sure I follow :|
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Postby godix » Sat Apr 28, 2007 7:26 pm

Otohiko wrote:
Shazzy wrote:
Otohiko wrote:"As for me, I am a Christian, and I consider my faith to be pretty important. I don't need any justification for it." That's cultural-ingrainedness right there, perfect example.


I have a functioning digestive system, and I consider food to be pretty important. I don't need any justification for it.


I'm not quite sure I follow :|

I think shazzy is saying that God is as much a requirement for humans as food is therefore you don't need any more justification for believing in god than you do for eating a Big Mac. Which means athiests and agnostics are performing a miricle by living a full healthy life without God cause you certainly couldn't live long without food. Kinda ironic that the only miricle God has performed for the last couple thousand years is to aid those who don't believe in him.

Or, perhaps, the analogy is deeply flawed.
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Postby Shazzy » Sat Apr 28, 2007 9:16 pm

godix wrote:
Otohiko wrote:
Shazzy wrote:
Otohiko wrote:"As for me, I am a Christian, and I consider my faith to be pretty important. I don't need any justification for it." That's cultural-ingrainedness right there, perfect example.


I have a functioning digestive system, and I consider food to be pretty important. I don't need any justification for it.


I'm not quite sure I follow :|

I think shazzy is saying that God is as much a requirement for humans as food is therefore you don't need any more justification for believing in god than you do for eating a Big Mac. Which means athiests and agnostics are performing a miricle by living a full healthy life without God cause you certainly couldn't live long without food. Kinda ironic that the only miricle God has performed for the last couple thousand years is to aid those who don't believe in him.

Or, perhaps, the analogy is deeply flawed.


Nah. Food was a bad example, though, since it's a basic survival need. Insert "the color orange is important to me" in that sentence instead.

Basically saying that religion can be important because someone decides it is. If I like the color orange or believe in a certain religion it's not necessarily an example of cultural brainwashing.
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Postby Otohiko » Sat Apr 28, 2007 10:58 pm

I didn't mean cultural conditioning in a negative sense. It is not and cannot be a physical/physiological neccesity like food, and it certainly isn't a neccesary property of human psyche. It is, however, a cultural neccesity for some people which is just as real.

Otherwise I could make some funny conclusions from that analogy you used. Such as the fact that any creature that posesses a digestive tract is capable of having religion as a neccesity. :roll:
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Postby Orwell » Sun Apr 29, 2007 9:45 am

Otohiko wrote:
Shazzy wrote:
Otohiko wrote:"As for me, I am a Christian, and I consider my faith to be pretty important. I don't need any justification for it." That's cultural-ingrainedness right there, perfect example.


I have a functioning digestive system, and I consider food to be pretty important. I don't need any justification for it.


I'm not quite sure I follow :|


Perhaps this is warped out of context from the original topic, but if we ignore the whole god bit and focus on religion, I think this does make sense. Think about it, what is religion, a set of beliefs and values. And a good excuse as any to kill billions over centuries but hey, lets try to keep this positive. We all need food, yes, and we all need a set of values and beliefs. The only difference is, do you cook your food yourself, or do you eat at McDonalds, Burger King or go do some whacky shit like Subway. (The local one scares me, it always smells like it's gone rotten, and they sure as hell don't keep it at a temperature I would even attempt to eat.)
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Postby Minion » Sun Apr 29, 2007 1:31 pm

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Postby JaddziaDax » Sun Apr 29, 2007 2:25 pm

wow... just @_@
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