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Postby wurpess » Sat May 19, 2007 12:39 am

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070518/ap_ ??? latin_mass

Something that made me happy. (More Catholic Church news.) I'm more of an old fashioned catholic. And aside from my questioning organized religion in general, part of the reason I stopped going to church was because even the catholic churches in my area were becoming more like hippie communes than the solemn places of worship that they had always been. Hopefully this comes to pass and a church in my area picks it up. *^_^*
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Postby Krisqo » Sat May 19, 2007 11:11 pm

I don't know about bringing SSPX back into the fold. I belong to the society and I don't think the Vatican can do more than ruin it in the long run.?? :cry:
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Postby wurpess » Sun May 20, 2007 3:03 am

Krisqo wrote:I don't know about bringing SSPX back into the fold. I belong to the society and I don't think the Vatican can do more than ruin it in the long run.?? :cry:

Maybe you're right, but it was still all the modernization touchy feely hippieness in the Catholic churches in my area that kinda turned me away. Not sure if its all the churches, but at least the ones in my area, I know they're trying to appeal to the hip new audience and attract more people. But at the same time, they're losing the old fashioned passion that I'd grown up with and always loved. I thought maybe bringing back the Latin mass might respark my interest. Because it wasn't the faith that lost my interest, it was the general direction the mass, the clergy, the congregation, the religion was going that turned me away. It seemed to be becoming to modernized and mainstream and all touchy feely. If I wanted a modern soft religion, I would have converted already. I don't know. Maybe I'm just better off where I am. Away from church but still believing. But anyway, just thought I'd let you know at any rate.
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Postby 8bit_samurai » Mon May 28, 2007 6:58 pm

Well, growing up I mostly went to a Baptist Church, but I haven't gone since the end of high school. The only Church they got here is a Lutheran. I just usually went where my parents went. We used to go to a Friends Church and a Covenant (couldn't remember if there was more to the name or anything) Church before that, and I couldn't really tell what's the difference besides minor details. The Baptist Church was loud and sang (or sung, whichever) a buncha recent songs about praising God. The Covenant Church was very orderly and such. The Friends Church was my fav because once the children's service was done we got to go home. They also talked alot about Jesus too, and sang old hymns which I prefer over what the Baptists sang.

I also find it interesting that the History Channel has done a buncha stuff concerning the Bible, the Creation, about Jesus' Life, and the Armageddon and such. I noticed they said that the Creation story may have been "borrowed" from an older religion and had the older and other "gods" turned to demons or something, such as the serpent ma have been one of those older "gods." I also find it interesting that Eve was not the first woman, but Lilith was, as she was created with Adam instead of from Adam. But then Lilith got on Adam's nerves for some reason so she was banished from the Garden and turned into a demon that took children away and stuff like that. So then God created Eve from Adam and Adam was pleased.

I also find it interesting how much of the media portrays God as a Man in a White Robe with a big curly beard an often hiding his face or something.
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Postby godix » Mon May 28, 2007 9:13 pm

8bit_samurai wrote:I also find it interesting that Eve was not the first woman, but Lilith was, as she was created with Adam instead of from Adam. But then Lilith got on Adam's nerves for some reason so she was banished from the Garden and turned into a demon that took children away and stuff like that. So then God created Eve from Adam and Adam was pleased.

Lilith wasn't the first either. There was a woman, unnamed, who was created out of dust in front of Adams eyes but he was squimish because her saw her intestines and other insides so wouldn't touch her. God learned the lesson and knocked Adam the fuck out then made Lilith. She wanted to be dominate over Adam (and be on top when they fucked) so clearly she had to go. Eve is the third and final attempt at getting a woman acceptable to both Adam and God.

I'll never understand why women believe something as clearly misogynist as the bible. I mean really, the first one was unacceptable because Adam only wanted surface beauty and couldn't deal with anything underneath. The second was unacceptable because she wanted to be equal. So Eve, a stupid lying slut, was the alternative. No wonder the priests stick to little boys instead of women, clearly women are a lot of fucking work and even after trying repeatedly you're still bound to take a fall and it'll be all her fault.
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Postby SilversLightning » Mon May 28, 2007 10:50 pm

I have one word I want to say that has nothing to do with anything

CRAP


that is all.
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Postby 8bit_samurai » Fri Jun 01, 2007 6:45 am

[quote="godix" Lilith wasn't the first either.[/quote]

Actually, she was the first because she was created with Adam, thus, her wanting to be on top or whatever and all that stuff. Otherwise, that would mean Lilith was the third, being the one who was supposedly before her the second, since there was a woman who was created with Adam, whether or not it's Lilith. But then that's just small detail, since the woman he ultimately ended up with was Eve.

In regards of whether or not there was a Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil and the Tree of Life, I'm surprised that they never eat from the Tree of Life, since God didn't say anything about restricting them from eating from there. Unless, of course, Adam and Eve were the first humans created that didn't ate from the Tree of Life before the Tree of Knowledge. Or Unless it was the serpent who acted before they were able to, or something. There are also a bunch of other stuff I have in mind regarding the trees, if they have had indeed existed. One of them being we may be a science project amongst the Immortals, or something. But Alas, perhaps I should just go pray and ask for forgiveness for such blaspheme, if that is such, for that's what the Churches I been before say I should do, or something. I dunno, it's been awhile since I been to church which is probably why I thought of such things.

Oh, I only skimmed through this thread so ignore what I said if it has already surfaced.
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Postby guy07 » Fri Jun 01, 2007 2:16 pm

Matt Damon was the angel of death, did you know THAT? >?>;

Godix, have i ever said how much i love your blunt offensive logic?
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Postby ReligionX » Sat Jun 02, 2007 12:42 pm

Sometimes, before I go to sleep, I wonder if I'll wake up to some other life all together. Sometimes, after I wake up from dreaming, where while I was dreaming, and I know that I was dreaming while I was dreaming, I wonder if I haven't woken up to a dream that I have fallen asleep to from the time that I was dreaming. You know, like when you wake up, in your dream, only to realize that you're not awake yet?

One of these times, I might not get out of my dream, and that'll be the end of it. This whole world will have meant nothing at all. Everything that happens in your dreams is entirely contained within your mind. Therefore, if I were to never wake up, then this entire world would have been in my head. There's a term for this, "Solipsism," which confirms one of my other fears. If other people are thinking the same thing, then maybe we're all in someone else's dream that they are going to wake up. We may all be in someone else's head.

When I'm not worried about all that dream stuff, I think that the world is a wonderful place. I'm okay with all of the life and death and everything in between. There are patterns and repetitions as far in and as far out as you can look. Biologically, cells grow, reproduce, and then die. Stars do the same thing. There are massive voids of space in cells where electrons circle around protons and neutrons. There are planets and asteroids that circle around stars. There are stars that circle around stars to form galaxies. And from so far away, looking at the night sky, stars look like little specks. From up high, several stories high, people look like little specks too.

Some people believe that there's a mathematical way to calculate God and the Universe. The entire universe could be some erratic and infinite number. It could be. I don't know. There are a ton of other theories that I've pondered, including organized religions, The Matrix, and The Truman Show. And from all of them, I have come to this understanding:

God is everything, and is in all things. All things are good, as they need to be, as they should be, and as they will be. It sucks sometimes. It's good most of the time. Everything is relative. It's all in your head.

I pray sometimes. I don't know what I pray to. But, I feel better after I do.
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