Kalium wrote:Creationism? The oppression of women? Intolerance of other religions and/or unbelievers?
Any portion which makes an objective reality claim, too. Any reality claim is subject to potential disproof, setting the stage for a messy fight which the religious will only lose.
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requiett wrote:Faith should not be perceived as some kind of threat to logic. The outright denial of faith in favor of a wholly materialistic belief is just fucking depressing. The ultimate purpose of science seems to be eliminating all uncertainty. Imagine what sort of world that would be.
Shazzy wrote:1. Creationism
What are you saying here? Creationism is bad because _____? Because it conflicts with evolution? Because it conflicts with science? Is the assumption then that anything that conflicts with science is bad and should be discarded?
Shazzy wrote:2. Oppression of women
Iffy. Humans tend to like power, and if that means oppressing those weaker than themselves, that's what they'll do. Women are raped, abused, and oppressed all the time by non-religious men. Some oppression can be traced to religious customs, certainly. Oppression can also be traced to pure atheists. Believing in a God is not a direct correlation to female oppression. Oppression of women has been a global standard since antiquity, in and out of religion.
Shazzy wrote:3. Intolerance of other religions and/or unbelievers
Probably the strongest point. Religion is, unfortunately, rife with instances of cruel intolerance toward others. Unfortunately, intolerance is also prevalent anytime anyone believes in anything. You claim that religion "blinds" people and should be discarded. Is that not intolerance of those who don't believe your "scientific" worldview?
Shazzy wrote:And for the last, define "objective reality claim"?
requiett wrote:Kalium wrote:I see no reason to spoon-feed them that illusion.
But you don't know everything. I don't understand how you're living in any less of an illusion. You have no grounds to argue this kind of topic from.
Kalium wrote:
Read your Bible recently? It's not exactly nice to the fairer sex, to say the least. Nevermind all the slavery stuff. Don't even get me started on some of the dumber provisions, like the Sabbath Year and the Jubilee.
Kalium wrote:I'm not claiming that it shouldn't exist or that it should be purged by fire. I'm claiming that it's counterproductive. The distinction is fine but significant. I'm plenty willing to tolerate the existence, I just think it's foolhardy at best.
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