Talent, Skill, Popularity, and Misogyny: A Feminist Critique
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Re: Talent, Skill, Popularity, and Misogyny: A Feminist Crit
Sephiroth,
I am on my way to a doctor's appointment in central Tokyo. I am therefore on my iPhone and unable to address what you have written. I will make one explicit statement I will expand on in great detail later: you have misunderstood large sections of the essay. Nothing you have brought forward has anything to do with what I've stated. You have completely mischaracterised the essay so you can argue against what you think I mean.
You are way out in left field.
I am on my way to a doctor's appointment in central Tokyo. I am therefore on my iPhone and unable to address what you have written. I will make one explicit statement I will expand on in great detail later: you have misunderstood large sections of the essay. Nothing you have brought forward has anything to do with what I've stated. You have completely mischaracterised the essay so you can argue against what you think I mean.
You are way out in left field.
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Re: Talent, Skill, Popularity, and Misogyny: A Feminist Crit
As i stated i'm not just responding to you.Kionon wrote:Sephiroth,
I am on my way to a doctor's appointment in central Tokyo. I am therefore on my iPhone and unable to address what you have written. I will make one explicit statement I will expand on in great detail later: you have misunderstood large sections of the essay. Nothing you have brought forward has anything to do with what I've stated. You have completely mischaracterised the essay so you can argue against what you think I mean.
You are way out in left field.
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Re: Talent, Skill, Popularity, and Misogyny: A Feminist Crit
You know what i'm done. Claim whatever you want.
This has no relevence to the discussion above it
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The problem is, you're negating concepts no one has brought up. No one here seems to think that a majority of male editors is the issue. No one brought up contest wins. No one has brought up overt hatred of women, believed or expressed. Feminist theory asserts that misogyny is more than this overt hatred or overt inclusion, it is system of cultural behaviors and attitudes which serve to marginalise women's voices. This marginalisation can, and does, exist in degrees. Often times the most insidious attitudes are the most subtle because we subconsciously breathe them in and out without recognising they are even there.
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Re: Talent, Skill, Popularity, and Misogyny: A Feminist Crit
Overt exclusion, I mean. Sorry for the mistake.
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Re: Talent, Skill, Popularity, and Misogyny: A Feminist Crit
Kionon wrote:The problem is, you're negating concepts no one has brought up. No one here seems to think that a majority of male editors is the issue. No one brought up contest wins. No one has brought up overt hatred of women, believed or expressed. Feminist theory asserts that misogyny is more than this overt hatred or overt inclusion, it is system of cultural behaviors and attitudes which serve to marginalise women's voices. This marginalisation can, and does, exist in degrees. Often times the most insidious attitudes are the most subtle because we subconsciously breathe them in and out without recognising they are even there.
Your language communicates otherwise
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/misogyny
Only definition given :a hatred of women.
Whatever definitions Feminism may have given you, you are using words which have very pre-established meanings. Now words do change, the vinacular however from words like Mysogyny has a very direct and precise meaning. Your use of it is not communicating what your claiming it does.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misogyny
Misogyny (pron.: /mɪˈsɒdʒɪni/) is the hatred or dislike of women or girls.
And as i stated i'm not just responding to you. The example of there are less female editors then male is an example of a piece of data you could make an argument about preferential treatment as an effect of it. It doesn't apply to your argument, guess what i'm not responding to you on that example. At this point i'm no longer upset with you but rather the idiots who decided that Oh yeah this word here should mean something completely different when we use it. Misogyny means to most people ive met, myself included is 'a hatred or dislike of women'. Not everyone here's a feminist scholar. Much like if i'm a scientist i may not write down the specific terminology i use if i'm sure other people wouldn't understand it. This is why ive gone through great pains to explain things like fallacies and give examples of them. Basicly you think your communicating one thing and you are communicating another to me.
I'll state very plainly i believe in equal rights for everyone. If you can do something, things like race, sex, skin color, or sexual preferences should have no bearing on your ability to pursue that.
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Re: Talent, Skill, Popularity, and Misogyny: A Feminist Crit
It seems to me --as is usually the case-- that everyone is hung up on Linguistic Logic.
Despite Misogyny not being the word I would use here, I think this is more or less the point Kionon is trying to make:
Despite Misogyny not being the word I would use here, I think this is more or less the point Kionon is trying to make:
I challenge everyone to disregard everything that's been said for 15 minutes and just imagine what their life would be like as a different gender.Qyot27 wrote:...those that are unaware of their privileges...
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Re: Talent, Skill, Popularity, and Misogyny: A Feminist Crit
Replying to a few recent comments, none of which were directed towards me. I don't want to derail the thread outside of its original intent so carry on if you see fit.
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Stop talking about doing something and do something
http://misogynope.ninjawedding.org
Not a perfect solution by any standard, but it does a lot more than arguing about the meaning of words.
Not a perfect solution by any standard, but it does a lot more than arguing about the meaning of words.
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