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Re: Little things you hate?

Postby gotegenks » Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:02 pm

JaddziaDax wrote:I don't believe in absolutes, so your proposition of a super flawed "nothing good in it" video in my head doesn't exist.

Even IF that were the case, then you don't have to give constructive criticism. How hard is that to process?

so despite the fact that you have zero imagination, just try your darndest to pretend we're talking about a video with absolutely no merits. not that one really does exist, just for the sake of principal let's pretend there is one, and we're talking about it right now. You're really in the mood to give constructive criticism, your only motive right now is to help someone out in the nicest way possible without lying or fluffing things up. You realize you don't have to, but you want to so bad, and you select a video with absolutely nothing good in it, and you're determined to help the editor out with some constructive fucking criticism. If his video is indeed without merit, is it impossible to give him constructive crticism? Never mind do you have to, or should you, or is it a good idea, but is it POSSIBLE?
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Re: Little things you hate?

Postby Pwolf » Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:26 pm

Just want to say that I'm really not trying to make a big deal out of this by dragging it on beyond the "lets agree to disagree". I'm sincerely curious as to why your definition of being constructive while critiquing work is so strict and would really like to try and understand it more.

Merriam-Webster defines "constructive" as: promoting improvement or development and
Dictionary.com defines "constructive" as: helping to improve; promoting further development or advancement
It also defines "constructive criticism" as: criticism or advice that is useful and intended to help or improve something, often with an offer of possible solutions

Based on those definitions, If I were to critique a video without mentioning anything positive, would it not be helpful at all under your definition? Would it not be constructive? for example:

"The scenes you used between, ~1:23 - ~1:53 don't make a whole lot of sense, it feels out of place. They are quite random and don't provide much to progress the story you are trying to show. I would suggest finding scenes that show the two characters' growing hate towards each-other, perhaps a flashback of some sort. Show why they are mad at each-other instead of just random scenes of different people that never show up anywhere else in the video."

How would you define that critique? If it's not helpful or constructive, then is it just plain old "criticism". Is it no different than if I had just said:

"The scenes you used between ~1:23 - ~1:53 don't make a whole lot of sense."

And to interject on the "pointless and redundant" part. I think it really depends on the situation. If I were critiquing a new editor, I would be more inclined to point out the positive as well as the negative. However, a well seasoned editor, whom I am familiar with, I would be much less inclined to to do so. I'd like to use an example of someone sending me a beta to critique. The first time, I'll most likely say something positive, if the video isn't completely terrible (as you said, it's pretty rare that this would happen, there's always something positive to say). If I like the video, it serves the purpose of the first beta viewing to let the editor know that I liked it or that they did a great job. However, after the first viewing and after I have made suggestions for changes or additions, if they send me the video later to critique again, it's redundant to say that I like the video again. It would be rather silly for them to be upset if I didn't say so. They already know I like it. At this point, they have probably made the suggested changes or tried something else (or did nothing at all). If at that point I still don't like the changes, I'll simply say so and offer another suggestion. In this situation, I can still be constructive and helpful without having to mention anything positive.
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Re: Little things you hate?

Postby meleechampion » Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:46 pm

When a remix is close enough to the original I can't tell which song I like more and therefore should go on the SUMMER JAMZ MIXTAPE/PLAYLIST/CD
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Re: Little things you hate?

Postby dj_ultima_the_great » Tue Jun 26, 2012 12:21 am

meleechampion wrote:When a remix is close enough to the original I can't tell which song I like more and therefore should go on the SUMMER JAMZ MIXTAPE/PLAYLIST/CD


Quoted for annoying truth. I had that problem with Pendulum's "Hold Your Colour" for the longest time. I had like three versions on my .mp3 player. :roll:
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Re: Little things you hate?

Postby JaddziaDax » Tue Jun 26, 2012 2:11 pm

Fire_Starter wrote:See, now you're just tempting me to throw some DBZ tracks at random into a cliche Linkin Park song, and encode the whole thing as a 32kbps 320x240 RM file.... :mrgreen:

Then you would be doing it on purpose and therefore the fact it was done horribly would be for "artistic" reasons. There would be at least merit behind the effort and reason you made it, so I could point that out as something good. I may not like the end result but at least you had good intentions. ;) Besides I could also point out that I like linkin park. O:

If it were made by a newbie, I could point out that they got as far as to at least make a video on their own, and that is a good thing. Just need to work on some fixes to make their video better.

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gotegenks wrote:so despite the fact that you have zero imagination, just try your darndest to pretend we're talking about a video with absolutely no merits. not that one really does exist, just for the sake of principal let's pretend there is one, and we're talking about it right now.

Nice way of attempting to insult me by saying I have no imagination, since for the sake of argument I DID in fact tell you the answer already.

You're really in the mood to give constructive criticism, your only motive right now is to help someone out in the nicest way possible without lying or fluffing things up. You realize you don't have to, but you want to so bad, and you select a video with absolutely nothing good in it, and you're determined to help the editor out with some constructive fucking criticism. If his video is indeed without merit, is it impossible to give him constructive crticism? Never mind do you have to, or should you, or is it a good idea, but is it POSSIBLE?


Since this is pretty much what you are wanting me to say: YOU CAN'T. At least not in the way I was taught to give constructive criticism.

Constructive criticism isn't your only option though, and any person with imagination can come up with several ways to handle this situation. I know I can. You really shouldn't limit your options like that.

Here are some OTHER options for you:
1. Give helpful criticism by pointing out flaws and how to fix them.
2. Just shut the fuck up and keep your lame ass mouth shut. AKA: if you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all
3. Flame that fucker for torturing me with their video.
4. Give unhelpful advice by stating the flaws, but not how to fix it.
5. Gush and squee over it like it's the most amazing thing out there (troll).
6. Sit back and watch the flame fest but don't get involved because everyone else is jumping down this person's throat already, and you don't need to add to it/everyone else already said everything.
7. Flame them but insert some valid advice to see if the person can even pick apart the criticism enough to get anything out of it (I miss godix :( ).
8. Sugar coat your criticism.
9. Lie and tell them that as long as they like their video then that's all they need. (I do see this platitude used a lot.) Who cares about the opinions of others?

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Pwolf wrote:Just want to say that I'm really not trying to make a big deal out of this by dragging it on beyond the "lets agree to disagree". I'm sincerely curious as to why your definition of being constructive while critiquing work is so strict and would really like to try and understand it more.


Thanks, I'm not holding any grudges on you ;)

So, end of argument: because this is how I was taught to give constructive criticism, in school, by a teacher, during art lessons. I like it, so I decided to keep it with me. We were also taught how to take it, and to not be insulted by it because it was meant to teach us not insult us.

I was taught that there are two sides to constructive criticism.
1. Constructive: the positive side
2. Criticism: the negative side
If you don't have both then your criticism is just criticism. That doesn't mean it is not helpful, or useful, that just means it's lacking the positive, therefore lacking the constructive.

Stating a few good things about a piece can help the artist to know that you aren't just badmouthing their piece, or criticizing for the sake of criticizing. That you are indeed looking at all aspects of their video and not just nitpicking the bad.

I personally like giving balanced criticism. I don't like pointing out flaws unless I can point out some good points too.

Also I never said that criticism couldn't be helpful if it doesn't fall under my definition of constructive criticism, so don't please put it that way. My definition is more so about HOW to give it, and what it looks like.

I'd like to use an example of someone sending me a beta to critique. The first time, I'll most likely say something positive, if the video isn't completely terrible (as you said, it's pretty rare that this would happen, there's always something positive to say). If I like the video, it serves the purpose of the first beta viewing to let the editor know that I liked it or that they did a great job. However, after the first viewing and after I have made suggestions for changes or additions, if they send me the video later to critique again, it's redundant to say that I like the video again. It would be rather silly for them to be upset if I didn't say so. They already know I like it. At this point, they have probably made the suggested changes or tried something else (or did nothing at all). If at that point I still don't like the changes, I'll simply say so and offer another suggestion. In this situation, I can still be constructive and helpful without having to mention anything positive.


I can see from that standpoint where it would be redundant to state it again, but the thing is as a person who receives such criticism, I'd take all correspondence as the full criticism, as opposed to taking each bit as separate criticisms. Even if the video has changed a bit, and if you said that you liked it before then it falls under my definition. :P

Besides working on a beta is when I actually care about detailed feedback, that way I can take in what may or may not need to be fixed. For me it doesn't matter at that point if the feedback is "pure" constructive criticism or not. I'm looking to work out the bugs.
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In the end all this arguing is getting nowhere, you all aren't going to change my mind, and I really don't care if I change any of your minds, so arguing with me about it is pointless. Attempting to insult me is even more so, because I don't think much of your opinion anyway, and insulting me is definitely not going to win me to your "side".

However I appreciate that Pwolf is just attempting to understand, and hasn't resorted to insults.

In the end (it doesn't even matter) a good criticism is meant to get the editor to think about their decisions and the choices they make, it doesn't matter if it is a constructive criticism or not.
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Re: Little things you hate?

Postby Emong » Tue Jun 26, 2012 2:15 pm

Somewhat related to the comments about remixes above. One little thing I hate are bonus discs which only contain remixes. It's like "err... I don't really want to go through all these just to make sure whether some tracks actually sound better than the originals". And so often the bonus discs are compiled of like 17 remixes of three songs >_>
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Re: Little things you hate?

Postby Haar119 » Tue Jun 26, 2012 3:22 pm

I hate how the Heisei Kamen Riders barely ever ride motorcycles. Especially Hibiki. How can you even call the show Kamen Rider if you're just running around in a van, replace the bug motif with the theme of demons, barely ever kick anything, and use musical instruments to fight? Might as well have called it Hibiki Sentai Oniranger. Same principle applies to Den-O, to a certain extent.
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Re: Little things you hate?

Postby Otohiko » Tue Jun 26, 2012 9:38 pm

Being woken up from deep REM sleep ~__~

It's like 50% of the effect of that sleep is just removed/fucked over and there is no way/time to go back and sleep moar.
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Re: Little things you hate?

Postby Glitzer » Tue Jun 26, 2012 10:32 pm

Otohiko wrote:Being woken up from deep REM sleep ~__~

It's like 50% of the effect of that sleep is just removed/fucked over and there is no way/time to go back and sleep moar.


I've found this website endlessly useful for waking up in between cycles of REM, instead of the middle.

Edit: Apparently ZephyrStar posted this very website in another thread yesterday. Probably should lurk more before posting :facepalm:

Haven't followed through with the thread as I should, but one of the more vexing things to me, is when people touch my monitor with their cheetos stained fingers after I've politely asked them not to. My whole body becomes visibly shaken, and all cultured manners evaporate with my fury. Needless to say that I appear unhinged to the rather oblivious victims.
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Re: Little things you hate?

Postby Flint the Dwarf » Tue Jun 26, 2012 11:12 pm

The average adult human only takes 14 minutes to fall asleep? Daaaang.
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Re: Little things you hate?

Postby Otohiko » Tue Jun 26, 2012 11:54 pm

Oh, I'm well-informed about sleep cycles and have a pretty good hang of mine. My cellphone doesn't, though...

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Re: Little things you hate?

Postby EvaFan » Wed Jun 27, 2012 2:05 pm

try it as someone with blood sugar problems... It's hard to go a full night of sleep without waking up atleast once involuntarily to get a glass of milk, nibble on some cheese, or anything to calm it down quickly and go back to sleep.

I usually drink a glass of milk or something before going to sleep but oddly enough I'll still wake up sweaty, pale, and thirsty as hell every now and then trying to sleep.
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Re: Little things you hate?

Postby Emong » Fri Jun 29, 2012 4:13 am

The dog next door, can you please SHUT THE FUCK UP! I was hoping things would have changed during the week I was away on holidays but nooooo, the dog is still barking and whining nonstop whenever the owners are out. I can hear it so clearly to my apartment. And I'm even OK with the sounds from the small gym below! >_< Dammit. Now I really have to play the annoying role of a pissed off apartment building tenant leaving a notification :uhoh:
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Re: Little things you hate?

Postby Jadecavy » Fri Jun 29, 2012 10:24 am

I hear dog kinda tastes like beef, maybe a roast could be on your menu sometime in the next week?
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Re: Little things you hate?

Postby BasharOfTheAges » Fri Jun 29, 2012 11:51 am

BasharOfTheAges wrote:I ended up getting 2 prescriptions (one for pain/swelling, one to relax the muscles) and a list of physical therapists to look into seeing.

Couldn't get a physical therapy session scheduled until Monday. I've been taking the pain/swelling reducer every day, and it helps a little, but my back's been getting progressively worse. I was trying to lay off the muscle relaxers because it's almost impossible to get any work done when you're in a haze from them... but yesterday it got so bad that the outside of both of my arms went numb and the inside of the left one had constant stinging pain going on for a few hours. My weekend is probably going to be spent medicating myself to the point where i can't drive and laying on the couch with ice packs all day.
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