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Re: Little things you hate?

Postby JaddziaDax » Sun Jun 24, 2012 9:55 pm

HaarTheDragonlord wrote:You know what I really dislike? The fact that most people's definition of constructive criticism is "baseless praise with maybe one comment about something being slightly below perfection."

Wait... strike that last part. Some folks become infuriated whenever you say even one remotely negative thing.


Actually for constructive criticism you are supposed to point out both the good and the bad things. Not just the good things and not just the bad things. The point of it being constructive is so that they know what they did both right and wrong. It should be balanced.
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Re: Little things you hate?

Postby Haar119 » Sun Jun 24, 2012 10:11 pm

JaddziaDax wrote:
HaarTheDragonlord wrote:You know what I really dislike? The fact that most people's definition of constructive criticism is "baseless praise with maybe one comment about something being slightly below perfection."

Wait... strike that last part. Some folks become infuriated whenever you say even one remotely negative thing.


Actually for constructive criticism you are supposed to point out both the good and the bad things. Not just the good things and not just the bad things. The point of it being constructive is so that they know what they did both right and wrong. It should be balanced.

That's what I also believe. The issue here is that a fair amount of people I've come into contact with get pretty angry if even one or two bad things are coupled in with the good things I list about a video, song, drawing, et cetera.
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Re: Little things you hate?

Postby JaddziaDax » Sun Jun 24, 2012 10:45 pm

Unfortunately, most "artists" are like that. But the best advice with dealing with someone like that I have, is to just ignore them because arguing about it is a waste of energy. If they get it they get it, then yay! If they don't then, move on. Just not worth the time. Still I know that feel.
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Re: Little things you hate?

Postby dj_ultima_the_great » Sun Jun 24, 2012 10:46 pm

HaarTheDragonlord wrote:
JaddziaDax wrote:
HaarTheDragonlord wrote:You know what I really dislike? The fact that most people's definition of constructive criticism is "baseless praise with maybe one comment about something being slightly below perfection."

Wait... strike that last part. Some folks become infuriated whenever you say even one remotely negative thing.


Actually for constructive criticism you are supposed to point out both the good and the bad things. Not just the good things and not just the bad things. The point of it being constructive is so that they know what they did both right and wrong. It should be balanced.

That's what I also believe. The issue here is that a fair amount of people I've come into contact with get pretty angry if even one or two bad things are coupled in with the good things I list about a video, song, drawing, et cetera.


True. I deal with that by simply not commenting on certain user's videos once they've proven that they can't take it. A few years back, there were a certain set of sisters (who shall remain nameless) that always asked for feedback, but if you made any suggestions for improvement, they always gave the exact same response, every single time: "Well, I liked it that way."

Of course you did, or you wouldn't have done it that way, moron.

I didn't care one way or the other if they took my suggestions, but they would respond that way to every single person who commented. Why even bother asking for critique? So I just started ignoring users who did that consistently. I would still watch their videos if I liked their work, naturally, but there was no point in commenting if it was just going to go in one ear and out the other.

So just do what I do. If you like their stuff, keep it. If you don't, delete the fucker and move on.

EDIT: and Jaddz beat me to that last point. |:>
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Re: Little things you hate?

Postby Kevmaster » Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:45 am

I hate when people give less than 10 in sound category when leaving opinions when actually it was ripped in .wav from CD and encoded in 367 kBit/s AAC. That category should just be removed considering 99% don't know how to properly rate that category :?
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Re: Little things you hate?

Postby Pwolf » Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:51 am

Constructive criticism doesn't have to be both positive and negative. By definition, it actually ends up pointing out the negative more than the positive. The definition of constructive criticism is criticism that is intended to improve or help what is being criticized. If the criticism doesn't meet that definition then it isn't constructive to begin with, it's just regular ol' criticism.
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Re: Little things you hate?

Postby JaddziaDax » Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:44 am

if there is no positive then it just comes off as criticism and lacks the constructive parts. Weather intended to help or not.
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Re: Little things you hate?

Postby Pwolf » Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:04 pm

I'm just telling you what the definition is. If you choose to see it as not being constructive, when it is by definition, that's your problem :P
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Re: Little things you hate?

Postby JaddziaDax » Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:05 pm

And I'm telling you what I was taught that the definition is. So you can see it however you want to see it, and I suppose we can agree to disagree :P
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Re: Little things you hate?

Postby Pwolf » Mon Jun 25, 2012 1:49 pm

What if there is nothing positive to say? Simply pointing out something positive which has nothing to do with the the things you're offering advise on is redundant and pointless. From an AMV standpoint, it helps no one to provide constructive criticism for a video that you think is rather awful all around then say "Oh, but the sound quality was great!" It doesn't serve any constructive purpose to point that out just because, under your definition, in order to provide constructive criticism, you must say something positive about what is being criticized. Constructive criticism in of itself is meant to be positive already.
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Re: Little things you hate?

Postby Kevmaster » Mon Jun 25, 2012 5:21 pm

I find critism constructive whenever someone explains WHY something was bad instead of simply saying that it's bad without giving any inside.
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Re: Little things you hate?

Postby JaddziaDax » Mon Jun 25, 2012 8:49 pm

Pwolf wrote:What if there is nothing positive to say?


I'm not stating that everyone must always give constructive criticism. I'm just stating what it is, as far as I've learned.

Simply pointing out something positive which has nothing to do with the the things you're offering advise on is redundant and pointless.


I'm not sure how it's redundant, unless many other people tell them the same thing over and over again. But I'm not taking this as a group discussion, just a one on one.

As far as being pointless, I don't think it is. Doing so at least gives the person some kind of idea that they might have done at least one thing right. If all you do is point out everything they did wrong, then they could just easily assume they did only wrong things. Letting them know what they did right might keep them from making a mistake on it in the future.

Very rarely have I seen a video that has done only "wrong" things. So, the situation of "what if they did only bad things" is an extremely unlikely "black and white" situation. In my belief there are only "shades of gray".

From an AMV standpoint, it helps no one to provide constructive criticism for a video that you think is rather awful all around then say "Oh, but the sound quality was great!"It doesn't serve any constructive purpose to point that out just because, under your definition, in order to provide constructive criticism, you must say something positive about what is being criticized.


For fear of sounding horridly redundant, it does help because at least then they know they did that right and then they can repeat the steps they took to make good sound quality on their next video. If they didn't know they did it right, then maybe they will botch it up.

"Well your audio didn't sound hollow or tinny, so that is good."
Besides if someone is asking me for a full opinion on something I will go and comment on just about every aspect of the video if I can.

Constructive criticism in of itself is meant to be positive already.


Well at least we can agree on that point.

I find critism constructive whenever someone explains WHY something was bad instead of simply saying that it's bad without giving any inside.


This to me is just what I call good criticism. Explanations on both good and bad are always more helpful than just stating "this is bad" or "this is good".

As I stated above, I'm not stating how people should give criticism, I'm just stating my definition of constructive criticism. It should be balanced.

If people want to flame or if people want to kiss ass, then that's their problem. Either way how it gets taken is up to the person who is receiving the criticism it doesn't matter if it was constructive or not.
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Re: Little things you hate?

Postby gotegenks » Mon Jun 25, 2012 9:56 pm

what pwolf meant by that first quote was that if we're going with your flawed definition, how do you give constructive criticism that does everything wrong? Even if you've never seen a video like that, for argument's sake suppose one exists, does that mean that all criticism is only there to put it down and point out negatives with an obviously flawed video, and its impossible to provide anything constructive because you have nothing good to say about it? or do you just lie in this case.

i agree with you on the role of positive critique, but it's in no way necessary and sometimes, yes, redundant.
in the case of audio, i highly doubt anyone that's already properly done audio is going to go out of their way to change it because it wasn't complimented, but that's beside the point.

pwolf's just plain right on the definition of constructive criticism, as there's a clear-as-day definition, the only thing to disagree on is the right way to execute constructive criticism. obligatory: :P
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Re: Little things you hate?

Postby JaddziaDax » Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:01 pm

I don't believe in absolutes, so your proposition of a super flawed "nothing good in it" video in my head doesn't exist.

Even IF that were the case, then you don't have to give constructive criticism. How hard is that to process?
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Re: Little things you hate?

Postby Fire_Starter » Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:22 pm

JaddziaDax wrote:I don't believe in absolutes, so your proposition of a super flawed "nothing good in it" video in my head doesn't exist.

See, now you're just tempting me to throw some DBZ tracks at random into a cliche Linkin Park song, and encode the whole thing as a 32kbps 320x240 RM file.... :mrgreen:
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