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ACTA and Internet Censorship

Postby chronosek » Sun Jan 22, 2012 1:40 pm

Hard times are coming for the Polish amv makers, the government intends to sign an agreement ACTA (prepared in secret) on January 26.

This video shows what such an agreement is:
english: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlFyoEKV0dE
polish: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1fJYlQ9iJY
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Re: ACTA and Internet Censorship

Postby Chained(E)Studio » Sun Jan 22, 2012 3:55 pm

Ahhh, that just failed to pass in the USA. I do not know how it will go in Poland. I think that is is clear that all the governments around the world want one thing, power. And that they aren't going to stop, and we as people have been really stupid to let them continue forming this "New world Era" thing. I didn't even know until recently that Canada, Mexico, and the USA had signed an agreement in 2007 called the "North American Union."

Basically, we are all screwed in the end cause we can't stand together. I'm a really big Zeitgeist/Venus Project follower, so maybe I sound a bit nutty, but we are all too scared or too lazy. So, not promoting piracy or anything like that but check out Tor. https://www.torproject.org/

If it does pass at least you might be able to keep your privacy in some way online.
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Re: ACTA and Internet Censorship

Postby Emong » Sun Jan 22, 2012 4:53 pm

^ I'm pretty sure the followers of zeitgeist would stand for piracy rather than against it. I just stepped into the convo to say that it's obfuscating to formulate the cause against ACTA or SOPA as resistance towards the state. If we define the problem in these terms we'll totally lose sight of the crucial issue of what the state is actually trying to militantly protect here: private property. If we define the problem as a problem of private property vs. the common (in this case the common virtual culture, information and space, social networks, that we participate in) we see that the anti-SOPA movement was also effectively an anti-capitalist movement. I'm not afraid of the state as such, I'm afraid of a state, which dedicates itself to the protection of capital/private property.
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Re: ACTA and Internet Censorship

Postby chronosek » Sun Jan 22, 2012 5:22 pm

TOR project will be useless, in this ACTA agreement bypassing the blockade will be illegal, and they will cut off the internet, besides the first major task of the newly formed Ministry of Digitization (dont know well name in english) will be break or block TOR network in poland
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Re: ACTA and Internet Censorship

Postby chronosek » Mon Jan 23, 2012 7:23 am

The United States and other countries (representatives from Australia, Canada, the European Union, Japan, Republic of Korea, Mexico, Morocco, New Zealand, Singapore, Switzerland) signed that ACTA (the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement) in Tokyo on October 1, 2011. How it failed to pass? Not all countries have signed the agreement as of now, Poland is defending with help of group Anynomous.
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Re: ACTA and Internet Censorship

Postby TritioAFB » Mon Jan 23, 2012 8:31 am

You might have now an idea of what happened in my country 9 years ago when the anime was literally 'erased' from the media. The situation as how it's going with ACTA is almost like the best example of how the goverment forbide the anime at TV, internet and even the newspaper. I lived it once, and don't want to live it again
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Re: ACTA and Internet Censorship

Postby chronosek » Mon Jan 23, 2012 10:32 am

ya , now will be like 9 years ago - shut down site and sent to prison , like Megaupload (and it is only beginning)
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Re: ACTA and Internet Censorship

Postby McDirty » Mon Jan 23, 2012 3:25 pm

Emong wrote:we see that the anti-SOPA movement was also effectively an anti-capitalist movement.

I disagree with you on this. I can see your point on having the common virtual culture be at danger in exchange for corporate interests, but it's not necessarily the main reason a lot of people and groups are against it. SOPA and PIPA also eliminates innovation with independent creators and can limit business competition on the internet. How are independent filmmakers, third-party programmers, and even small businesses going to grow, when people at the top of the corporate field are using the feds to shut them down (or at least limit their voice)? A good number of businesses and entrepreneurs are also anti-sopa.
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Re: ACTA and Internet Censorship

Postby Chained(E)Studio » Mon Jan 23, 2012 4:02 pm

This is off topic, sorry chronosek

Emong wrote:^ I'm pretty sure the followers of zeitgeist would stand for piracy rather than against it.


I think it can honestly be taken that way, as well as being taken as "anti-capitalist movement" like those who opposed SOPA/PIPA. I don't think its wrong to view either which way. However, Zeitgeist and the Venus Project are really strong on making sustainability for our future. That's what important to me. Knowing that future generations will continue to have the things we have. Our resources will run out period. It doesn't matter if we cut back, we can only dig so deep and use up whats there. It doesn't grow on trees and we can't replant it. Once its gone, its gone. Whether our governments around the world really take a serious step towards this, or we fight for it ourselves; I'm for that. I'd rather work the rest of my life building a future others in next 100 years can live in. Then just use everything up and say "suckers."

I feel like there is a lot that can be said about this, the government, corruption, everything really.

Sort of back on topic. I don't think its wrong that company's want what they are legally entitled too. If I was an artist with my work being put out all over the place I would want it stopped too. Like McDirty said, SOPA/PIPA and even ACTA stops a lot of innovation. ACTA even goes too deep into your own privacy's rights and to me makes it almost like your freedom of speech is gone (at least as in depth as that video chronosek posted). What happened to MU was the right way to go about it, and how it should be dealt with. Making up all these new agreements within our governments is the wrong way to do.
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Re: ACTA and Internet Censorship

Postby Emong » Mon Jan 23, 2012 7:48 pm

McDirty wrote:
Emong wrote:we see that the anti-SOPA movement was also effectively an anti-capitalist movement.

I disagree with you on this. I can see your point on having the common virtual culture be at danger in exchange for corporate interests, but it's not necessarily the main reason a lot of people and groups are against it. SOPA and PIPA also eliminates innovation with independent creators and can limit business competition on the internet. How are independent filmmakers, third-party programmers, and even small businesses going to grow, when people at the top of the corporate field are using the feds to shut them down (or at least limit their voice)? A good number of businesses and entrepreneurs are also anti-sopa.

Please pay attention to the precise formulation: "...was also effectively an anti-capitalist movement..." This means they stood for a lot of the same causes as anti-capitalists even if they didn't use the same terms. I don't have any problems with anti-capitalism.

Chained(E)Studio wrote:However, Zeitgeist and the Venus Project are really strong on making sustainability for our future. That's what important to me. Knowing that future generations will continue to have the things we have. Our resources will run out period. It doesn't matter if we cut back, we can only dig so deep and use up whats there. It doesn't grow on trees and we can't replant it. Once its gone, its gone. Whether our governments around the world really take a serious step towards this, or we fight for it ourselves; I'm for that. I'd rather work the rest of my life building a future others in next 100 years can live in. Then just use everything up and say "suckers."

Offtopic for the win :D All I know about Zeitgeist is the Moving Forward documentary so maybe my opinions are biased. They share a lot of the same premises as I do: capitalism is an inherently contradictory system, which is incompatible with ecology. I wouldn't even criticize them for their "crazy utopian visions" like some others seem to be doing. However there was one thing, which particularly struck me: their anti-political message. I think the documentary mistook corrupted liberal-democratic parliamentary politics for politics proper, which might be defined as collective struggles to pursue particular goals. If you cut out politics, you also cut out people's option of resistance. We have a name for it and it's called oppression :nono: I guess if we decide the continue this convo it should be done via pm :P
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Re: ACTA and Internet Censorship

Postby AceD » Mon Jan 23, 2012 9:01 pm

MegaUpload - Closed.
FileServe - Closing does not sell premium.
FileJungle - Deleting files. Locked in the U.S..
UploadStation - Locked in the U.S..
FileSonic - the news is arbitrary (under FBI investigation).
VideoBB - Closed! would disappear soon.
Uploaded - Banned U.S. and the FBI went after the owners who are gone.
FilePost - Deleting all material (so will leave executables, pdfs, txts)
Videoz - closed and locked in the countries affiliated with the USA.
4shared - Deleting files with copyright and waits in line at the FBI.
MediaFire - Called to testify in the next 90 days and it will open doors pro FBI
Org torrent - could vanish with everything within 30 days "he is under criminal investigaççao"
Network Share mIRC - awaiting the decision of the case to continue or terminate Torrente everything.
Koshiki - operating 100% Japan will not join the SOUP / PIPA
Shienko Box - 100% working china / korea will not join the SOUP / PIPA
ShareX BR - group UOL / BOL / iG say they will join the SOUP / PIPA

Hosters Tipping:
Megaupload, iShares, AOL Virtual DISC, U.S. SHARE, GrennShare (Canada)
RED ALERT IN hosters:
Mediafire, Multupload, WUpload, Sonic File / Serve, ShareX, Deposit Files ...
Hosters IN ALERT:
Torrent "all services", mIRC Zone, SVN hosters, Virtua



Just some more shit thats going to go down, these type of bills are not going to stop now until anything potentially infringing is eradicated.
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Re: ACTA and Internet Censorship

Postby xDreww » Mon Jan 23, 2012 9:08 pm

Anyone know if the org will be shut down?

*Edit*

Any news on sendspace?
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Re: ACTA and Internet Censorship

Postby Chained(E)Studio » Mon Jan 23, 2012 9:10 pm

AceD wrote:MegaUpload - Closed.
FileServe - Closing does not sell premium.
FileJungle - Deleting files. Locked in the U.S..
UploadStation - Locked in the U.S..
FileSonic - the news is arbitrary (under FBI investigation).
VideoBB - Closed! would disappear soon.
Uploaded - Banned U.S. and the FBI went after the owners who are gone.
FilePost - Deleting all material (so will leave executables, pdfs, txts)
Videoz - closed and locked in the countries affiliated with the USA.
4shared - Deleting files with copyright and waits in line at the FBI.
MediaFire - Called to testify in the next 90 days and it will open doors pro FBI
Org torrent - could vanish with everything within 30 days "he is under criminal investigaççao"
Network Share mIRC - awaiting the decision of the case to continue or terminate Torrente everything.
Koshiki - operating 100% Japan will not join the SOUP / PIPA
Shienko Box - 100% working china / korea will not join the SOUP / PIPA
ShareX BR - group UOL / BOL / iG say they will join the SOUP / PIPA

Hosters Tipping:
Megaupload, iShares, AOL Virtual DISC, U.S. SHARE, GrennShare (Canada)
RED ALERT IN hosters:
Mediafire, Multupload, WUpload, Sonic File / Serve, ShareX, Deposit Files ...
Hosters IN ALERT:
Torrent "all services", mIRC Zone, SVN hosters, Virtua



Just some more shit thats going to go down, these type of bills are not going to stop now until anything potentially infringing is eradicated.


That is really scary. I do not know about anyone else, but I am a bit worried about org? And the one its domain is registered to? Can you still be protected by law : S?
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Re: ACTA and Internet Censorship

Postby AceD » Mon Jan 23, 2012 9:25 pm

Filesharing websites are been targeted because of the "affiliate schemes" they have, people buying premium memberships makes them money....then the people uploading make money through the affiliate program. It's understandable these sites are been shut down when you realise everybody is making money; except the copyright holder.

Sites like this don't work like that....you only have to worry if more of these type of bills appear where companies like the RIAA want the power to seize domains hosting or even linking to copyright material....never mind amvs, if this happens it would cripple the internet.
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