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Future of Canadian AMVs in Danger

Postby outlawed » Sat Jan 29, 2011 2:35 pm

http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/CRTC ... ing-112406

25 GB usage caps I hear? Say it ain't so!
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Re: Future of Canadian AMVs in Danger

Postby NME » Sat Jan 29, 2011 6:39 pm

The CRTC should be dissolved, this is nothing but a cash grab by ISPs who are trying to protect their assets. The CRTC and the Conservative government are clearly in the pocket of

I flatly refuse to pay overage charges, every Canadian consumer should. It costs less than a cent for an ISP to transfer a gigabyte of data. This is robbery.

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Re: Future of Canadian AMVs in Danger

Postby NME » Sat Jan 29, 2011 6:40 pm

Meant to say in the pocket of Bell and the media companies.

But come on, it's obvious both sides of the border that the news isn't about educating but rather placating, scaring, and misinforming.
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Re: Future of Canadian AMVs in Danger

Postby BasharOfTheAges » Sat Jan 29, 2011 7:38 pm

I hear Netflix is rather ripshit over this as well.
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Re: Future of Canadian AMVs in Danger

Postby Pwolf » Sun Jan 30, 2011 4:24 am

BasharOfTheAges wrote:I hear Netflix is rather ripshit over this as well.


i hear they are considering removing their dvd rental option and only going to streaming (don't have source, only heard about it), i would be pretty pissed also.
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Re: Future of Canadian AMVs in Danger

Postby JudgeHolden » Sun Jan 30, 2011 4:28 am

Pwolf wrote:
BasharOfTheAges wrote:I hear Netflix is rather ripshit over this as well.


i hear they are considering removing their dvd rental option and only going to streaming (don't have source, only heard about it), i would be pretty pissed also.


They just implemented the option of going with streaming only for a lower price.
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Re: Future of Canadian AMVs in Danger

Postby Pwolf » Sun Jan 30, 2011 4:30 am

they've had that for a while.
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Re: Future of Canadian AMVs in Danger

Postby NME » Sun Jan 30, 2011 1:14 pm

http://tinyurl.com/UBBExplained

Here is a very well-written summation of the situation at hand.

This is an issue big enough to bring down the conservatives next election, and it will.
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Re: Future of Canadian AMVs in Danger

Postby purplepolecat » Sun Jan 30, 2011 1:53 pm

What does this have to do with AMVs ?
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Re: Future of Canadian AMVs in Danger

Postby Otohiko » Sun Jan 30, 2011 2:49 pm

NME wrote:I flatly refuse to pay overage charges, every Canadian consumer should. It costs less than a cent for an ISP to transfer a gigabyte of data. This is robbery.



x2

I'm facepalming right now, particularly as most of the content I download is perfectly legal and paid for dearly. You'd think they would be going in the other direction.

I'd like to point out, by the way, that Canada's centralization of the telecom industry is creepier than just having expensive internet. It's frightening how much of the entire communication and media (including internet, print, television, radio etc.) is centralized with something like 2.5 corporations. The CRTC being in bed with them doesn't surprise me.
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Re: Future of Canadian AMVs in Danger

Postby NME » Sun Jan 30, 2011 3:08 pm

If we have caps on what we can do on the internet we won't be able to share sources with each other, distribute betas, or even upload to Youtube in some cases. This will not only effect people who make AMVs, but musicians, digital artists, researchers and scientists who use their home connections to look at materials online. 25 GB is nothing when Comcast in the United States has set their caps around at 250 GB for the past 2 years. There is basically no difference in the network infrastructure in either country (same ADSL2 systems and DOCSIS 3 cable systems) so there is no reason to limit Canada's bandwidth usage under the guise that the networks are congested, as they are not. Even if they were, the burden is on the ISP to upgrade their infrastructure to better serve their larger client base instead of limiting people's internet usage behaviour (which is what they want to do with this new UBB scheme, they say so in the appeal to the CRTC). Canadians won't be able to enjoy media other than what's on their TVs if their internet caps are so low. A hobbyist could potentially be charged for putting his work up on the internet because he went over his limit. How is this supporting Canadian artists? It's not, it's stifling them and what they can experience culturally. This is behaviour and thought control authorized by our government agencies. Thanks Canada.

Comcast is making the same moves down south as well. Netflix is likely going to lose all of Universal's TV and movie library at the end of their contract with the studio as Universal has just merged with Comcast. This is man's greed manifest in its most vile form imo, because it is limiting our freedom of expression, our ability to run our own lives without watching TV at a set time and thought. Our governments let them get away with this because they profit as well.

Content creation needs unlimited bandwidth. If you need more paint for your work you buy more paint, bandwidth and its use in obtaining and sharing sources and finished products is far too important to content creation in modern media to be held back in any way by man's greed. If we are to be charged in a fair UBB system we should each pay $5 dollars to get on a network and 3-6 cents per GB we consume. This is enough to turn a profit at current prices and as bandwidth prices lower (they do every year as network capacity increases) a GB will eventually cost less than 1/100th of a cent to transfer.

If this regulation stays around we'll all still be paying 2 dollars per gigabyte.

Usage caps on bandwidth are asinine. Data doesn't degrade their machines the more I run through it, all it does is cost them slightly more and congest the network if I do it during peak times. The service is on all the time whether I am actively browsing or downloading or not.

This is the future. It's time we oust the dinosaur fuckers who are ruining it with their outdated un-evolved cash greed trip. That shit is childish and is gonna make us all suffer the more we accept it. Cellphone bill overages are already terrible in both countries and will only get worse unless there is raucous public outcry.
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Re: Future of Canadian AMVs in Danger

Postby NME » Sun Jan 30, 2011 3:19 pm

Otohiko wrote:
NME wrote:I flatly refuse to pay overage charges, every Canadian consumer should. It costs less than a cent for an ISP to transfer a gigabyte of data. This is robbery.



x2

I'm facepalming right now, particularly as most of the content I download is perfectly legal and paid for dearly. You'd think they would be going in the other direction.

I'd like to point out, by the way, that Canada's centralization of the telecom industry is creepier than just having expensive internet. It's frightening how much of the entire communication and media (including internet, print, television, radio etc.) is centralized with something like 2.5 corporations. The CRTC being in bed with them doesn't surprise me.


It's the same anywhere man, the corporations control what we see and read and have no interest but their own and their partner's own in mind. Canadians pay the most money in the western world for internet, and have bar-none the lowest caps. Romanian telecom offers unlimited 50mbps internet for about 8 dollars American a month. Canada could very well develop a government-funded fibre optic network to take the power out of the hands of the corporations and put it into the hands of an even more corrupt, greedy, poorly run corporation that is blatantly kowtowing to American business interest.

The NFB just released a whole lot of their back catalog online, that's hardly a use to Canadians with a 25 GB useage cap and 3 other people in the house sharing the same connection.
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Re: Future of Canadian AMVs in Danger

Postby Otohiko » Sun Jan 30, 2011 3:31 pm

NME wrote:It's the same anywhere man, the corporations control what we see and read and have no interest but their own and their partner's own in mind.


Yeah, but I was pointing out that the level to which it's centralized in Canada is actually more than probably anywhere else short of places where such media/communications is completely under state control. And which of these is worse is yet debatable.

Otherwise yeah, this is just retarded. We're at a point where our service quality is approaching the level below that in the third world, at a price exponentially higher. The sad thing is, we still either have to pay up or be stuck without internet/phone/whatever. The lack of options is what makes it disturbing.

This, combined with the recent dumbfuck moves by the industry's copyright bodies, are indeed beginning to seriously encroach on the ability of any sort of creative endeavours to survive in Canada, unless they have official recognition of the regulatory bodies involved. In the rush to protect Canadian content, the CRTC is now at a point where it is shutting down any sort of communication or creation that does not fall in the interest of officially-vested businesses. The net result is that anyone doing anything creative in public may soon need an official stamp to do so.
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Re: Future of Canadian AMVs in Danger

Postby NME » Sun Jan 30, 2011 3:45 pm

If the corporations control the state, it's all corporate control in my eyes.

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Re: Future of Canadian AMVs in Danger

Postby Moonlight Soldier » Mon Jan 31, 2011 2:11 am

Otohiko wrote:
NME wrote:I flatly refuse to pay overage charges, every Canadian consumer should. It costs less than a cent for an ISP to transfer a gigabyte of data. This is robbery.



x2

I'm facepalming right now, particularly as most of the content I download is perfectly legal and paid for dearly. You'd think they would be going in the other direction.

I'd like to point out, by the way, that Canada's centralization of the telecom industry is creepier than just having expensive internet. It's frightening how much of the entire communication and media (including internet, print, television, radio etc.) is centralized with something like 2.5 corporations. The CRTC being in bed with them doesn't surprise me.


Yea. I wanted to write about this but it was pointed out our parent company uhh...one of those corporations Oto is talking about -_-
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