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Post by Nessephanie » Mon Nov 12, 2007 5:16 pm

I watch a good number of TV shows, and as much as I love them, I am in %100 support of the writers on strike.
It's the rich wanting more money from the richer.
Yes, there are some writers who make alot more money, but the average writer makes 62k a year, works sporadic jobs that can end at anytime, and if they don't land work on a hit show, find themselves to be undesirable hirees by 40.


The big issue, isn't the DVD sales. The writers offered to drop asking to go from 4 to 6 cents on DVD sales, the issue is what's being watched on the internet. Right now, the writers are getting ZERO for internet content, and they're asking for 2.5% of whatever comes in from the streaming. Why shouldn't they get a cut?
Michael Schur, a producer/writer of The Office wrote:So how do we get our point across, to people who don’t understand why we’re doing this? The best way I have found, is to say: everything on the internet? We get zero. They get everything. They get millions and millions and eventually billions and billions, and we get zero. And the “they,” here, is basically six of the biggest baddest companies in the world, run by men who annually receive salaries and compensation well north of 50 million dollars.

They want to offer me absolutely nothing when they stream my show on-line, and further offer the comically-low 0.3% residual rate on things like iTunes downloads. Well, over time they will end up reducing my salary by something like 85%. That seems like a pretty drastic paycut.
They're on strike because the AMPTP won't sit down and seriously negotiate with them. It's not like they want to be there, but they're not getting a fair deal, and I hope they stay on the line until they do.

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Post by Vlad G Pohnert » Mon Nov 12, 2007 8:51 pm

I not for or against the writters, however the greed in Hollywood will mean that no one will want to give up thier share of the pie and hence they will just increase pricing to cover any increases in royalties, etc and yet again the consumer will have to pay the difference...

Shamefull considering how much money DVD sales really make for the studios...

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Post by Kalium » Mon Nov 12, 2007 11:52 pm

Nessephanie wrote:
It's the rich wanting more money from the richer.
Yes, there are some writers who make alot more money, but the average writer makes 62k a year, works sporadic jobs that can end at anytime, and if they don't land work on a hit show, find themselves to be undesirable hirees by 40.
As was pointed out recently in one of my classes, 62K is nothing to sneeze at. It's a good 50% above the 2004 median household income of 44K. Factor in that that's a single income, and that many households have more than one, well, and I have even less sympathy for them.

So let's be blunt. These people are not suffering for their art or any crap like that. They're paid plenty well.

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Post by Brad » Tue Nov 13, 2007 12:55 am

Kalium wrote:
Nessephanie wrote:
It's the rich wanting more money from the richer.
Yes, there are some writers who make alot more money, but the average writer makes 62k a year, works sporadic jobs that can end at anytime, and if they don't land work on a hit show, find themselves to be undesirable hirees by 40.
As was pointed out recently in one of my classes, 62K is nothing to sneeze at. It's a good 50% above the 2004 median household income of 44K. Factor in that that's a single income, and that many households have more than one, well, and I have even less sympathy for them.

So let's be blunt. These people are not suffering for their art or any crap like that. They're paid plenty well.

Oh, source.
The point of the figure wasn't to say "look how little these people get paid" its to point out that in COMPARISON to the rest of the production staff and studio heads. And its not like we're talking about the guys who get the coffee int he mornings, these are the WRITERS. They create the foundation that the production is based on. They're only asking for a higher portion of the DVD sales (is this still in effect? Did they end up dropping this one?) and stake in internet sales. Something they're getting NOTHING from.

I'm not saying 62k is a small amount of money. Far from it. I'd be THRILLED to make that much. But I'd be less thrilled if I knew that I DESERVED more that I was not getting for my creative work.
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Post by Vlad G Pohnert » Tue Nov 13, 2007 2:53 am

Well, there are a ton of jobs that are underpaid! Not just writers....

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Post by Nessephanie » Tue Nov 13, 2007 4:34 am

Vlad G Pohnert wrote:Well, there are a ton of jobs that are underpaid! Not just writers....

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Yes, and were it a whole union (or guild, which come on, close enough), they should negotiate for more money when their contract comes up. :P

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Post by requiett » Tue Nov 13, 2007 5:41 am

How hard is it to replace writers? I mean... really.

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Post by Willen » Tue Nov 13, 2007 7:23 am

requiett wrote:How hard is it to replace writers? I mean... really.
With other good writers? Look at the vast landscape that is the graveyard of failed shows.

The writer's guild knows that the distribution medium of media is changing from traditional broadcasts (OTA TV, cable, sat.) and hard copies (VHS, DVD, etc.) to online distribution. Even if online distro doesn't make a huge chunk of money (look at the numbers for NBC's old iTunes deal), it's still a sizable amount for some of the people involved.
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Post by JaddziaDax » Tue Nov 13, 2007 8:22 am

requiett wrote:How hard is it to replace writers? I mean... really.
considering that the networks are contracted to hire guild members only... when they are on strike, legally pretty damn hard.

I hate the unions in Hollywood, but that might be my personal bias.

Don't take it that I think the new mediums shouldn't be negotiated because I clearly said the opposite. They are revenues that didn't exist when their last contract was up, and I think it's something that should be in their contract just so the fricken networks can "cover their asses"

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Post by Kalium » Tue Nov 13, 2007 9:58 am

AtomX wrote:I'm not saying 62k is a small amount of money. Far from it. I'd be THRILLED to make that much. But I'd be less thrilled if I knew that I DESERVED more that I was not getting for my creative work.
How much ones 'deserves' for creative work is a notoriously slippery idea. Some would say they deserve every penny anyone makes from their work, ever. This is obviously not economically tenable. Others would say they deserve nothing, and this is likewise economically untenable.

A happy medium is required, then. As the studios interests lie in paying as little as they can get away with and the writers' lie in getting as much as they can get away with, finding a number both groups will be happy with will be tricky at best. Ultimately, what they get is determined by a series of negotiations much like this, including trial-by-media when one side thinks they can gain an advantage in the process. But I digress.

It's impossible to define what a writer 'deserves'. There's no way to measure or calculate such a thing. It all comes down to how much the writers can wheedle out of their employers, and that is something measurable. The whole angle about how much a writer 'deserves' is a canard. It's similar to the way that radio stations don't pay performance royalties.

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