DragonCon AMV Contest 2010

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Re: DragonCon AMV Contest 2010

Postby zeiram_00 » Sat Aug 14, 2010 11:55 pm

I like that a new method was used for audience vote but it definitely needs some tweaking. honestly, i find myself not voting purely on how much i liked the video but voting to equalize what are clearly people boosting stats for themselves or their friends. but i've never been a huge fan of audience vote because there is always bias and many times the audience just votes in weird ways. the almost instant feedback on a contest entry is nice and i like having another distribution method for my videos (as Hal said, its nice to know people are actually watching your vids)

and good job on adding the live-action category, its getting a huge response (not all are quality vids but entries none the less)
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Re: DragonCon AMV Contest 2010

Postby irriadin » Tue Aug 17, 2010 12:04 am

zeiram_00 wrote:I like that a new method was used for audience vote but it definitely needs some tweaking. honestly, i find myself not voting purely on how much i liked the video but voting to equalize what are clearly people boosting stats for themselves or their friends.


What would be best, imo, would be to 1.allow only one vote for ONE video OR 2. Hide the results so people can't immediately see them and go "hey, this video is winning! I'm going to downvote it and upvote my favorite!"
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Re: DragonCon AMV Contest 2010

Postby spk1983 » Sat Aug 21, 2010 5:52 am

irriadin wrote:
zeiram_00 wrote:I like that a new method was used for audience vote but it definitely needs some tweaking. honestly, i find myself not voting purely on how much i liked the video but voting to equalize what are clearly people boosting stats for themselves or their friends.


What would be best, imo, would be to 1.allow only one vote for ONE video OR 2. Hide the results so people can't immediately see them and go "hey, this video is winning! I'm going to downvote it and upvote my favorite!"



This is what I think should be done, to truly make it fair for all entrants.
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Re: DragonCon AMV Contest 2010

Postby kireblue » Sat Aug 21, 2010 7:11 am

spk1983 wrote:
irriadin wrote:
zeiram_00 wrote:I like that a new method was used for audience vote but it definitely needs some tweaking. honestly, i find myself not voting purely on how much i liked the video but voting to equalize what are clearly people boosting stats for themselves or their friends.


What would be best, imo, would be to 1.allow only one vote for ONE video OR 2. Hide the results so people can't immediately see them and go "hey, this video is winning! I'm going to downvote it and upvote my favorite!"



This is what I think should be done, to truly make it fair for all entrants.

But then if a video is added after you cast your vote, you wouldn't be able to vote for the new video. And the only system that could allow you to change your votes would probably require everyone to register for individual user accounts.
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Re: DragonCon AMV Contest 2010

Postby drewaconclusion » Sat Aug 21, 2010 7:33 am

kireblue wrote:
spk1983 wrote:
irriadin wrote:What would be best, imo, would be to 1.allow only one vote for ONE video OR 2. Hide the results so people can't immediately see them and go "hey, this video is winning! I'm going to downvote it and upvote my favorite!"



This is what I think should be done, to truly make it fair for all entrants.

But then if a video is added after you cast your vote, you wouldn't be able to vote for the new video. And the only system that could allow you to change your votes would probably require everyone to register for individual user accounts.
In that case, wait until you've got all the videos collected; then post them for voting.
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Re: DragonCon AMV Contest 2010

Postby Nimthiriel » Sun Aug 22, 2010 5:27 pm

Yes, we are aware of the voting issues and we have thrown out votes when this has happened. There will be tweeks to the rules and voting system next year but for now I was asked to post this.

http://www.dragonconamv.com/2010/08/sportsmanship/
http://www.dragonconamv.com/2010/08/more-cheating/

Thank you all for participaing and I look forward to seeing everyone on Sunday September 5th at 11:30 pm.

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Re: DragonCon AMV Contest 2010

Postby kireblue » Sun Aug 22, 2010 7:06 pm

Nimthiriel wrote:Yes, we are aware of the voting issues and we have thrown out votes when this has happened. There will be tweeks to the rules and voting system next year but for now I was asked to post this.

http://www.dragonconamv.com/2010/08/sportsmanship/
http://www.dragonconamv.com/2010/08/more-cheating/

Thank you all for participaing and I look forward to seeing everyone on Sunday September 5th at 11:30 pm.

Nim

good job at tracking down the fraudulent votes. I can't wait to see the real results.
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Re: DragonCon AMV Contest 2010

Postby rpm77 » Mon Aug 23, 2010 3:40 am

Does voting your own vid a 10 count as cheating? The first rating on my AMV was a 1 and I panicked. >.<
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Re: DragonCon AMV Contest 2010

Postby kireblue » Mon Aug 23, 2010 5:00 am

rpm77 wrote:Does voting your own vid a 10 count as cheating? The first rating on my AMV was a 1 and I panicked. >.<

It shouldn't count as cheating. Its perfectly reasonable to vote for your own vid. I voted for mine.
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Re: DragonCon AMV Contest 2010

Postby HalOfBorg » Mon Aug 23, 2010 7:38 am

Hmmm. If it IS considered to be OK then I will vote for mine as well as the others.
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Re: DragonCon AMV Contest 2010

Postby irriadin » Wed Aug 25, 2010 8:32 am

So I noticed now that if you click on the specific video titles, you can see a breakdown of the judges' scores. How many judges are there? I'm asking because the Action category appears to be insanely competitive at the moment >_>
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Re: DragonCon AMV Contest 2010

Postby drewaconclusion » Wed Aug 25, 2010 9:29 am

irriadin wrote:So I noticed now that if you click on the specific video titles, you can see a breakdown of the judges' scores. How many judges are there? I'm asking because the Action category appears to be insanely competitive at the moment >_>
Seems kind of bizarre that they're showing the judge's scores; especially before the contest even takes place.
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Re: DragonCon AMV Contest 2010

Postby irriadin » Wed Aug 25, 2010 9:35 am

drewaconclusion wrote:
irriadin wrote:So I noticed now that if you click on the specific video titles, you can see a breakdown of the judges' scores. How many judges are there? I'm asking because the Action category appears to be insanely competitive at the moment >_>
Seems kind of bizarre that they're showing the judge's scores; especially before the contest even takes place.


Yea, I agree. I think this might be a way of figuring out which videos get preference in the screening, because I just re-checked the rules, and they state:

3) Judges and AMV panelists will be chosen before the convention by the contest coordinator. AMV creators wishing to judge the contest should state so on your submission form. If you are not submitting an entry and would like to judge please email at dragonconamv@gmail.com. There will be 6 judges composed of 3 creators and 3 non-creators. Creators can not judge a category they are competing in. All judges must be present at the first showing.


6) The votes of the judges will be tabulated after the primary showing. Some judging may occur after this should there be problems with the pre-convention screening. The judges will make all decisions regarding winners. All decisions are final.
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Re: DragonCon AMV Contest 2010

Postby anneke » Wed Aug 25, 2010 4:35 pm

This contest is messed up. The categorys should just have a drop down at the bottom where people pick their favorite or something. I'm going to the convention but do I even need to bother with the contest with the results so messed up. You don't even have to watch the video to vote for them. And if your throwing out videos that people vote to close together, the problem is I watch a group of videos then vote on them, in relationship to each other.

Videos posted later on have less votes, and therefore each vote they get is worth more. Again not very fair either.
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Re: DragonCon AMV Contest 2010

Postby irriadin » Wed Aug 25, 2010 7:49 pm

Looks like one of the action vids had a bunch of bad votes thrown out, but not anybody else? What exactly is the criteria for removing bad votes anyway (besides the "voting too fast" thing)? A little more transparency would be nice... :/
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