The Otakon 2010 Thread (OK now panic)

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Re: The Otakon 2010 Thread (OK now panic)

Postby irriadin » Mon Aug 02, 2010 2:32 pm

DarkBasilisk wrote:I don't know, from the only a viewer perspective i'll chime in that not just contest amvs but stuff I watch in general it's usually uncommon for me to have a AMV I like that's over 3 minutes. It can be done, but especially during a extended contest it's a bit of a fight to keep the interest of people in the seat. I've seen some videos that had great starts, good editing, but after a while anything gets old. A good 5 minute AMV has to be either telling a compelling story, keep having new and eyecatching things happen, have a constant stream of varying comedy, or just generally be made for the upbeat/dance category and have some rocking party music.

Making a single tone/image/theme video doesn't work on the five minute scale, or at least really hurts your odds. It's not an absolutely bad move, it just puts a lot bigger burden on the editor to find a way to make much longer footage remain interesting, a challenge not everyone is up to. I think overall we had shorter AMV's this year and the contest was better for it. I usually leave dashes on the listing next to the AMV's I liked even if they weren't the one i was going to vote for, so i can look them up later. Last year it was mostly only the winner/runner-up that got that, this year the majority of the finalists have a dash :) Saying which ones didn't get one would be overly mean, but to further my point, if i glance at my card sitting here, the handful of one's not marked off are the mostly the one's that ran longer.


I agree with you, for the most part. I think videos get exponentially more difficult to manage the longer they get. The song I used in my AMV is actually a 5:24 song, but I cut it down to 4:38 because there was no way I could fill the remaining time. (That, and the rest of the song was unbridled guitar wankery.)
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Re: The Otakon 2010 Thread (OK now panic)

Postby TheTsunami » Mon Aug 02, 2010 3:31 pm

dwchang wrote:
TsunamiX wrote:Keep in mind that not every year does someone make the Romance finals with a video containing comedy (as well as dwchang's wins being 6 and 7 years ago now).


Now to be fair, my last win was three years ago, not six or seven so I'm not THAT old school. Even if my first Otakon win was 7 years ago...OK maybe I am that old...thanks -_-;;.


Sorry, I did forget about 2007 (probably because that video had been a different style than your winning videos in those other two years).

Gaelstrom wrote:Now... to watch Macross Frontier and 5cm Per Second so I can watch the videos I had to look away from for spoilerific reasons.


Good god, how have you made it this far without being spoiled on 5cm/sec videos? :asd:
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Re: The Otakon 2010 Thread (OK now panic)

Postby Gaelstrom » Mon Aug 02, 2010 4:08 pm

TsunamiX wrote:
Gaelstrom wrote:Now... to watch Macross Frontier and 5cm Per Second so I can watch the videos I had to look away from for spoilerific reasons.


Good god, how have you made it this far without being spoiled on 5cm/sec videos? :asd:


I turn my head and just listen to the music :oops: I still have ballots from years ago for the names of videos to watch. The only time I ever get angry is when I get a spoiler it seems. My friends have even developed new methods of cryptic words to not spoil things for me that I haven't seen yet :D They are trained well! I had a lull of anime watching over the last couple years where I haven't gone through many series besides all of One Piece over a manner of months and a few of the more popular series to minimize spoilers from those ^^

I didn't have an AMV to have a chance to win anything, but AMV Salad 4 landed quite strongly Saturday night. Even with the horrendous audio issues, it was fun to see the work everyone did on that got such tremendous reactions. So a win in its own way. I'm sure all of you were in Iron Editor still. Miko, having seen the polar opposites of your Poet and the Pendulum vid and the Family Guy one made me laugh at it like the first time I watched it :lol:
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Re: The Otakon 2010 Thread (OK now panic)

Postby jubjub2 » Mon Aug 02, 2010 4:33 pm

DarkBasilisk wrote:Oh, not many people I saw mentioned it, but was I the only one that really liked 'Stupid Couple'? I thought the idea and execution of that was just amazing.


You made my day. :) Thank you! I will upload it eventually.
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Re: The Otakon 2010 Thread (OK now panic)

Postby Rider4Z » Mon Aug 02, 2010 4:41 pm

machina21 wrote:Just glad to be a part of the dance. Maybe one year I can go to Otakon, gotta get paid though.

Congrats to all teh winnarz.

PIZZA HUT!!!!

ditto.

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Re: The Otakon 2010 Thread (OK now panic)

Postby TheTsunami » Mon Aug 02, 2010 5:40 pm

Rider4Z wrote:
machina21 wrote:Just glad to be a part of the dance. Maybe one year I can go to Otakon, gotta get paid though.

Congrats to all teh winnarz.

PIZZA HUT!!!!

ditto.

KENTUCKY FRIED CHICKEEEEEEEEN!!!!


I did my best from the middle of the room at Closing Ceremonies to make sure everyone was clapping along for that one. Hilarious video.
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Re: The Otakon 2010 Thread (OK now panic)

Postby Scintilla » Mon Aug 02, 2010 5:44 pm

DarkBasilisk wrote:Oh, not many people I saw mentioned it, but was I the only one that really liked 'Stupid Couple'? I thought the idea and execution of that was just amazing.

I did really like it myself (it's always heartening to see people willing to use classical music!), but I wished it had stayed in its original category of Romance rather than getting moved to Comedy -- I thought it was much more of a romance video (not to say that I didn't still laugh).

chui101 wrote:So did anyone even notice my AMV (Defying Gravity)? I know it was kind of overshadowed by the ginormous 10 minute one right before it, so I'm not sure if the applause was more "I liked that, yay!" or "the drama category's finally over, yay!"

Yours was actually one of my favourite drama videos, partially because the inspirational/uplifting type of drama video is something we could really use more of in AMV contests in general, and partially just because it was edited really well and fit the mood.
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Re: The Otakon 2010 Thread (OK now panic)

Postby Anicsi » Mon Aug 02, 2010 6:19 pm

Kinda late but congrats to all the winners!!!
Wished i could've been there.
I didn't place but there's always next year :3
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Re: The Otakon 2010 Thread (OK now panic)

Postby BasharOfTheAges » Mon Aug 02, 2010 6:29 pm

Heard some of the winners from a friend that went and was kinda O.o at the vid from 2008. You really do have a unique and odd rule set for this contest VicBond.
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Re: The Otakon 2010 Thread (OK now panic)

Postby Scintilla » Mon Aug 02, 2010 6:40 pm

Someone was asking about the full finalists list? Psiten was nice enough to transcribe the finalists list in her LJ and allow me to copy it here, so here goes:

Trailer/Parody:
"Tonight, on a very special Section 9..." - Sabotage (Beastie Boys), Ghost in the Shell
"Inception" - Theatrical Trailer, various
"The Job" - Get Smart Theme, Cowboy Bebop: Knocking on Heaven's Door
"The Headband of Eli" - theatrical trailer, Afro Samurai

Drama/Serious:
"Ain't No Rest for the Wicked" - ~ by Cage the Elephant, various
"Today, Forever" - What We will Never Know" by InnerPartySystem - Clannad
"A Journey Through the Pages" - "Diary of Jane" (Breaking Benjamin) - EF a tale of memories
"Coming Home" - Major Tom (Shiny Toy Guns), Macross Frontier/Voices of a Distant Star
"Whore for the Cold World" - Poet and the Pendulum (Nightwish), Death Note
"Defying Gravity" - ~ by Idina Menzel, Macross Frontier

Action:
"Bring it Back" - Astrosexy (M-flo feat. CHEMISTRY), Samurai Champloo
"Fight for Life" - 10th Man Down (Nightwish), various
"Condemned Project" - "I'm so Sick" (Flyleaf), Ergo Proxy
"Skin" - ~ (Machinae Supremacy), Claymore
"Fallen Souls" - "Falling Down" (Oasis/Prodigy), Soul Eater
"Gunsmith Cat City" - Bad City (SHOGUN), Gunsmith Cats

Romance/Sentimental:
"Nara" - "No More Tears" (David Nevue), various
"Chain of Memories" - "Down" (Jason Walker), 5cm per second
"Never Have Known" - "You Found Me" (Kelly Clarkson), Welcome to the NHK
Second Guesses - "Safe Side" (Tim Be Told), Kare Kano
Anything But - "Ordinary Day" (Vanessa Carlton), Howl's Moving Castle
AMG in a Nutshell - "That Face", The Producers, Ah My Goddess

Upbeat/Dance:
Pacific Coast Party - ~ (Smashmouth), various
"I ain't marryin' no friggin' horse!!!" - "Big Black Horse and the Cherry Tree" (KT Tunstall), Haruhi/Lucky Star
"Nucking Futs" - "Basket Case" (Green Day), Sora no Otoshimono
"Children of Daicon" - "Prologue/Twilight" (ELO), various
"Magic Oven Mittens" - "I ain't got rhythm" (Phineos and Ferb), K-On
"Noise Pollution" - "AM Radio" (Everclear), various

Comedy:
"And Now, a word from Our Sponsors (Bland Name Edition) - "Burger Dance" (DJ Otzi), Code Geass et al.
"Stupid Couple" - "Barber of Seville Overture" (London Symphony Orchestra), Lovely Complex
"Nausea in D Major" - "I'm so Sick of You" (Weird Al), Nodame Cantabile
An AMV about TV - "Famous" (Scouting for Girls) - various
Britannia, [Expletive] Yeah! - "America, F*** Yeah" (Trey Parker), Code Geass
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Re: The Otakon 2010 Thread (OK now panic)

Postby dwchang » Mon Aug 02, 2010 6:52 pm

Doomimus wrote:Then again, I think that those of us who take the hobby seriously do take both questions into consideration. Personally, I prioritize entertainment value above all else. I've seen videos that demonstrate superb technical skill (the kind I admittedly wish I had), with all sorts of special effects, lip-syncing, masking, etc., but leave me cold and don't exactly make me rush back for a second viewing. This is taking it to a logical extreme, of course, and I think technical skill can and should be the deciding factor in choosing the better of two videos that are equally entertaining. By this token, I feel that in the past, I've rightfully lost to videos that excelled both these areas.


Fair enough. It depends on your intention I suppose. I've made plenty of videos I thought were "fun," but not "serious" or whatnot and also made videos purely to test my technical abilities (or lack thereof). It's all about intent (and what you want to get out of it).

Doomimus wrote:I don't think incorporating comedy into AMVs is necessarily going down the path of least resistance (whether your aim is to win or simply to please yourself), provided the comedy is genuinely funny and fits the overall theme of the video. This isn't always easy to do. In fact, I had a heck of a time trying to piece the audio and video footage together in the best way possible for the AMG video.


In all fairness, I have not watched your video (or any video since like 2008) so it wasn't a snipe at you so no worries. I am just commenting on a common trend that I've been seeing since around 2005. I obviously have my own preferences, but I voice them with my one vote (as does everyone else) and I accept the results accordingly.

As noted in my first reply, the audience is entitled to vote for what they enjoy and it's silly for us to force them to our "standards" of what is "acceptable" and whatnot. Even if TsunamiX and I disagreed with the video that won in 2005, we still accept the result. Otakon would prefer a more "fun" and audience participation contest which is why they go with an audience vote. If they wanted a more "serious" contest, they'd go with selected judges (i.e. AWA Pro/Masters). In submitting a video to Otakon's contest, we are submitting to their rules, which is fair.

Doomimus wrote:At any rate, I'm very pleased with the results, and even if I hadn't won in the Romance category (which I'm very grateful for), or even made it to the finalists, I would've felt the same way.


I think that's pretty much all that matters and the right attitude towards any video you make. At the same time, it's also nice to win once in awhile. Were you at Otakon? At first it's a bit daunting to pick up your awards in front of a large audience, but it still gives you a warm fuzzy :P.

TsunamiX wrote:Sorry, I did forget about 2007 (probably because that video had been a different style than your winning videos in those other two years).


I don't blame you since as you said, it was very different from anything else I've submitted (a more upbeat/slapstick romance video). At the same time, the fact I won kind of goes back to your point earlier :P. In any case, I was just commenting since more than one person has commented on me being "old school" or that I haven't been editing in FOREVER and that's not entirely true...it's only been 2 years >_>. I've said a million times, but hopefully I'll finish this one video that's been half done forever and submit to Otakon some day. ;)

In any case, this is the first Otakon I've missed since I started attending, but I still congratulate both the winners and finalists. Otakon has (almost) always been a well-run (I had to add almost since I forgot about a few coordinators in the past :P), highly competitive and respected AMV contest and all of you should be proud.
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Re: The Otakon 2010 Thread (OK now panic)

Postby Doomimus » Mon Aug 02, 2010 8:22 pm

dwchang wrote:In all fairness, I have not watched your video (or any video since like 2008) so it wasn't a snipe at you so no worries. I am just commenting on a common trend that I've been seeing since around 2005. I obviously have my own preferences, but I voice them with my one vote (as does everyone else) and I accept the results accordingly.

Right on, right on.

(It's on YouTube if you'd like to take a peek. :wink: )

dwchang wrote:As noted in my first reply, the audience is entitled to vote for what they enjoy and it's silly for us to force them to our "standards" of what is "acceptable" and whatnot. Even if TsunamiX and I disagreed with the video that won in 2005, we still accept the result. Otakon would prefer a more "fun" and audience participation contest which is why they go with an audience vote. If they wanted a more "serious" contest, they'd go with selected judges (i.e. AWA Pro/Masters). In submitting a video to Otakon's contest, we are submitting to their rules, which is fair.

I bet there can be plenty of overlap there.

dwchang wrote:I think that's pretty much all that matters and the right attitude towards any video you make. At the same time, it's also nice to win once in awhile. Were you at Otakon? At first it's a bit daunting to pick up your awards in front of a large audience, but it still gives you a warm fuzzy :P.

Heh. Nope. I would love to have been there, though. 'Cept I have these expensive habits like eating and sleeping indoors... and living 700 miles from the convention. Ah, well. Maybe next year.
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Re: The Otakon 2010 Thread (OK now panic)

Postby Castor Troy » Mon Aug 02, 2010 8:41 pm

Scintilla wrote:"Fight for Life" - 10th Man Down (Nightwish), various


Isn't this a 4 year old video? :nono:
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Re: The Otakon 2010 Thread (OK now panic)

Postby GreatLupin » Mon Aug 02, 2010 8:46 pm

I think it got buried a few pages back but could anyone tell me what kind of reaction "The Job" got?
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Re: The Otakon 2010 Thread (OK now panic)

Postby TheTsunami » Mon Aug 02, 2010 9:08 pm

Doomimus wrote:Heh. Nope. I would love to have been there, though. 'Cept I have these expensive habits like eating and sleeping indoors... and living 700 miles from the convention. Ah, well. Maybe next year.

On an odd note, one of the last people to comment during Con Feedback Sunday afternoon was a first time Otakon-goer...from Australia. :shock:
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