The Otakon 2010 Thread (OK now panic)

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Re: The Otakon 2010 Thread (OK now panic)

Postby Gaelstrom » Tue Jul 13, 2010 12:04 am

I'm hoping nothing strange happens with the fanparody schedule... not even because I'm involved in submitting stuff, but just how the energy of the parodies seems perfectly situated at that time of night now. It clears up until 10 for other things and then just spending the rest of the night celebrating the fun sides of anime with our own twists as a culture, and then going to sleep with good humor and waking up the next morning ready for more. Putting such a large block earlier would really cut into other things and cause people to not feel as into it because they may be feeling like 'hmm... I want to see that too' meanwhile the last few years, really the only thing they're missing is hentai.

Honestly, how is it that the corporations have sway on what happens at Otakon? I thought it was designed specifically to be a stand-alone entity. Can someone explain this to me? I feel like I'm missing something. Right now I'm starting to regret the several hundred I spent on DVDs in support of them in the past couple months.
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Re: The Otakon 2010 Thread (OK now panic)

Postby AngelDragoon » Tue Jul 13, 2010 12:33 am

Gaelstrom wrote:Honestly, how is it that the corporations have sway on what happens at Otakon? I thought it was designed specifically to be a stand-alone entity. Can someone explain this to me? I feel like I'm missing something. Right now I'm starting to regret the several hundred I spent on DVDs in support of them in the past couple months.


Well...it's all practically on the basis of assumption. They're booting the AMV blocks for corporate programing because either, a) They just don't like/are screwing with the community because of previous experiences, b) Are getting large 'donations' from those who want their stuff shown, or c) Actually do care, but want to fit everything they can in what little time they can. In the 'B' option, it's kind of like politics, I suppose, (well...it is politics, but on the business front). They're not legally suppose to get paid, but if a particular benefactor comes along and pays thousands in 'donations' for a certain agenda to get pushed, it is likely that said politician is going to listen to what that benefactor wants the most. If the owners of Ramen Fighter Miki donate thousands and offer/want for them to show the series, it is likely Otakon will do anything in their power to show it, in the hopes that the owner will donate again. Is it fair? No, but it is technically legal for them to do, because all of it is practically word-of-mouth, to the answer of, 'We're doing it because we felt it was in the con's best interest'.

Again, unless we all see their financial books, (which...yeah, no, not going to happen), this is all purely guessing. I honestly have no idea of their business practices, but this seems to be the most probable economical answer to what's going on, (particularly if they don't give a reasonable explanation as to why they are doing what they are...If lying is the case, as has been brought up...Yeah. I'll let that sit).
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Re: The Otakon 2010 Thread (OK now panic)

Postby Gaelstrom » Tue Jul 13, 2010 12:46 am

Well I'm not suggesting anything untoward is happening like that, even if I recognize the possibility. It's more in a technical manner that I'm curious if corporations can legally influence anything in Otakon based on the way Otakon is as a corporation. I just don't really understand how it was made, but that's just because I don't know anything about the legality of it. I'm not sure what the anime companies would gain by doing what you say, since Otakon already deals with the hundreds-of-thusands to millions each year, and anime companies are apparently in dire straights as it is, so who knows. But really I'd love to know the mindset that would allow the companies in outside the dealer's room. Sure they can show a movie here or there and get some interest spread, but it can't even be seen by more than a couple thousand people at most, so it's hard to consider they have any type of financial benefit from spending money on Otakon themselves.

Originally we had no issue with fansubs, because it increased interest, but in recent years they've finally gotten off their asses and gotten things over in a timely manner. I just hope Otakorp isn't getting blackmailed in regard to not getting sued for showing the companies' licensed material so they get to have a say in what goes on... I mean yes, technically they have the right to shut them down for showing what they want, but seriously... I'd really like to believe that they aren't that much of assholes. But then again I believed in Santa at one point.
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Re: The Otakon 2010 Thread (OK now panic)

Postby AngelDragoon » Tue Jul 13, 2010 1:02 am

Legality issues concerning fansubs/playing licensed material are absolutely possible, considering that the bigger something gets means the more attentive companies become. As much as it would be terrible for Otakon if foul play were at hand, it would paint the situation in a different light. While I can't say that they would tell every one of their staff members the situation, it would make much more sense for them to at least give a better reason than, 'We need this space for set up, but we already have set up space, etc., etc.' I would love to give them the benefit of the doubt, but from what I have been reading, it just seems rather peculiar. If Otakon was a major enterprise over the seemingly failing animation companies, these animation companies would surely sue for what they're worth, but playing their real merchandise over paying retribution seems like the wiser choice on Otakon's part. Though it doesn't make sense they they wouldn't at least inform the heads of their events...Unless of course they were deciding to be hush-hush about it from it leaking to the public, which is possible, but still makes them look like jerks to the rest of us. :nono: Then again, if it were on the basis of previously stated 'donations'...well, business is business, regardless of what outlet they make money or what section of the tax box they're falling under. Some exposure is better than no exposure, and what better venue for a floundering anime company than one of the largest conventions in essentially the biggest consumer country?

In any case, it's probably something we'll never fully know.

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Re: The Otakon 2010 Thread (OK now panic)

Postby moonbunnychan » Tue Jul 13, 2010 1:22 am

Aw, kind of bummed I didn't make it in, I thought I had a real chance this year. Ah well.
Congrats to the (provided nothing bad happens) finalists!
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Re: The Otakon 2010 Thread (OK now panic)

Postby Ryvannis » Tue Jul 13, 2010 2:04 am

Can I get a critique on my video? It's the latest one in my profile. I'm wondering that if it not getting into Otakon and AX is a sign that I'm out of taste for the judges, or contests in general. :?
Anyways, congratz to all the finalist!
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Re: The Otakon 2010 Thread (OK now panic)

Postby Adv1sor » Tue Jul 13, 2010 5:35 am

VicBond007 wrote:...proving that it's who you know and not what you can do...
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Re: The Otakon 2010 Thread (OK now panic)

Postby Jefferys » Tue Jul 13, 2010 7:17 am

Adv1sor wrote:
MycathatesyouAMV wrote:It looks like i missed alot. can someone fill me in on everything ?

Otakon is apparently unhappy that the AMV contest and AMV Overflow are such popular events and are doing everything they can to try and screw it over this year. Or so it seems...


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Re: The Otakon 2010 Thread (OK now panic)

Postby Ashyukun » Tue Jul 13, 2010 8:04 am

Yay, I actually remember my login password. Yeah, I've not logged on for a while or realistically done much of anything regarding AMVs... all my spare time has been taken up working on cars lately.

But, I did want to set one thing straight- the credit for trying to set things right at Otakon doesn't belong with me, it belongs with my department head and one of Otakon's Vice Chairs, Mike Lee. He found out about things, asked for my take on it from a bit more of an inside perspective (though I had to read up on things, having no knowledge of any of this prior to his asking about it...), and started taking action from there. I will be serving as the interface with Otakon's A/V union though since I've worked all the parties involved before and can readily pull Mike into things if there are any problems that need higher-ranking firepower than I count for.

So, I'll definitely be working to try and make sure things run as smoothly as they can in my capacity as one of the tech staff, but don't deserve the credit for getting the ball rolling back in the right direction.
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Re: The Otakon 2010 Thread (OK now panic)

Postby msanogi » Tue Jul 13, 2010 9:39 am

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Despite all of the mayhem... I'd be lying if I didn't say I was excited to (potentially) make it in. I started yelling last night on my shoot when I saw that (much to the confusion of everyone else) XD

Congratulations and good luck to everyone!

Thanks for your hard work in trying to make this contest the best that it can be Vic!

And

Go go super Ashyukun/Mike Lee! :up:
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Re: The Otakon 2010 Thread (OK now panic)

Postby jubjub2 » Tue Jul 13, 2010 3:46 pm

Wow - I made it in! |:>

After reading through all the pages, I want to give a big thank you to Vic for all his hard work and keeping us up to date on the inside information. It's good for fans to see what happens in the planning stages to make these large cons come together, even if it is not necessarily what we want to see. Hopefully the powers that be will have more willingness to listen to what the con-goers want, and keep the convention as a fan gathering rather than morphing into a trade show.

Sooooo.... If companies are sponsoring/paying for convention space and time, will that mean admission prices for the fans will drop? :roll:
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Re: The Otakon 2010 Thread (OK now panic)

Postby NightMistress85 » Tue Jul 13, 2010 6:01 pm

jubjub2 wrote:Sooooo.... If companies are sponsoring/paying for convention space and time, will that mean admission prices for the fans will drop? :roll:


Psh. I'm betting next year $75 will be the early bird registration rate.
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Re: The Otakon 2010 Thread (OK now panic)

Postby Vlad G Pohnert » Tue Jul 13, 2010 7:36 pm

Adv1sor wrote:AUSA was the first place I saw an AMV and it's always been the best con for AMVs. Just knowing there is a room where you can stop by almost anytime of day or night and see some good AMVs, wow.


I don't know, I beg to differ somewhat, Sakura-Con gives a room 850+ in seating size with main stage sound and huge screen/projector to AMVs all weekend long :wink: Anime Evolution has had a room as big as 650+ cap for AMVs, and this year I get a 400 cap theater with plush seats :D .. So I think there are other cons with great AMV rooms too |:>

Sad to see such an issue with Otakon... seems more cons taking a back seat to AMVs although they fill rooms.. I don't know, I always figures con should do what the fans want to see... I guess a dedicated AMV room at Otakon is now totally out of the question ...

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Re: The Otakon 2010 Thread (OK now panic)

Postby Mroni » Tue Jul 13, 2010 8:40 pm

How can they be losing rooms the freakin convention center added a hotel and the con just gets bigger. Im at a loss this is bullcrap.
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Re: The Otakon 2010 Thread (OK now panic)

Postby Jefferys » Wed Jul 14, 2010 10:31 am

You know, for some reason, I'm a bit surprised nobody used any songs by Phoenix for this contest...or is my memory cheating me slightly?
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