Anime Expo 2010 Anime Music Video Contest Rules Up

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Re: Anime Expo 2010 Anime Music Video Contest Rules Up

Postby Kazemon15 » Mon Jun 21, 2010 9:47 pm

What if, for example, the discs get damaged in the process of getting to the coordinator? Who's fault is it then? The editor doesn't know the shape their discs are by the time they get there, only the coordinator can let them know if there are any problems. There's also that little percentage that the package could get lost in the mail and never arrive.
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Re: Anime Expo 2010 Anime Music Video Contest Rules Up

Postby XStylus » Mon Jun 21, 2010 10:02 pm

Kazemon15 wrote:What if, for example, the discs get damaged in the process of getting to the coordinator? Who's fault is it then?


Now you're grasping at straws. If a disk arrives and it's damaged, that'd be pretty obvious the moment the disk arrives.

There's also that little percentage that the package could get lost in the mail and never arrive.

Which is why some contests state that an entry has to be in the coordinator's hands (not simply postmarked) by a certain day. If in doubt, send early.
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Re: Anime Expo 2010 Anime Music Video Contest Rules Up

Postby Brad » Mon Jun 21, 2010 10:05 pm

xstylus wrote:
Niotex wrote:I don't want to sound rude or anything. But given how early the deadline was this year compared to the actual con date. I always assumed this was in place already. There was no excuse to not open the files real quick as you got them in, scrub through them looking for any major issues. And then if something was wrong getting back to the editor. Shooting them a non personal automated message to fix said problem. This honestly takes less then 5 minutes per faulty video. 20 seconds top's for a problem-less video. Given the sheer volume of entries for AX one should expect 2 afternoons/evenings tops going through this. Then having people resubmit within a week. If entry doesn't comply then, then too bad. Doesn't sound unreasonable or hard if you ask me. A system like this is used at contests like an Acen etc. I've personally used this system for all the contests I've run in the past 3/4 years now. I think you'd be surprised with how small the workload really is.


Yeah, you do sound rude. It is not a coordinator's responsibility to check and notify the editor of fuck-ups that the editor is supposed to have checked prior to sending.

If a contest coordinator of any convention provides such a courtesy notice, it is just that -- a courtesy. If the coordinator wants to be a hard-ass and let the creator reap the consequences of their shoddy proofing, that's his or her prerogative.

Relying on the coordinator to do what is the most basic responsibility of the editor is a total lack of professionalism.
As much as I hate to help perpetuate yet another argument in this thread (which I'm sure it will inevitably lead to), that's total bologna. I've had contest submissions where I was absolutely sure, based on everything I could tell, that the file I had submitted worked perfectly fine. I had played it back myself and had other people play it and it worked completely fine. Then I get a notice from the coordinator that the file isn't playing back correctly. I remember in one case, something had fucked up in the upload and I hadn't noticed. I re-uploaded, and everything worked out just fine. Are you honestly going to tell me that not knowing that an upload had worked properly means that I didn't do my due diligence and that I shouldn't be allowed to enter? Or any number of unknowable mess ups? Sorry dude but that's fuckin' bullshit.
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Re: Anime Expo 2010 Anime Music Video Contest Rules Up

Postby CodeZTM » Mon Jun 21, 2010 10:16 pm

Rider4Z wrote:
The Wired Knight wrote:Michael you may want to try this, it served me well for Yaoicon for a number of years.

Set two deadlines for submissions, an early deadline and a late deadline. Mark the early deadline as for those who are uncertain about the technical aspects of their video and that if a video submitted BEFORE the early deadline sufferes from certain issues that would otherwise DQ it, that you will notify them and they have until the late deadline to get the video back in with the appropriate fix.

The late deadline recieves no leeway and videos submitted by that one run the risk of being DQed for the problem. You just have to leave yourself enough time between the two to know that you will have sufficient time to review whatever videos get submitted before the early submission deadline.

I stopped doing this only because I found not enough entries were taking advantage of it but frankly yaoicon has so few entries on average I never worried about it too much. However for AX I think the early deadline will not only improve quality of entires but also give you more flexibility on the ability to disqualify videos for technical reasons without having to worry about being too nitpicky.

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That's a fantastic idea. :up:
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Re: Anime Expo 2010 Anime Music Video Contest Rules Up

Postby Niotex » Mon Jun 21, 2010 10:52 pm

xstylus wrote:total lack of professionalism.

A lot of people seem to be lacking that these days.

You seem to forget that upon uploading a video for instance there is the possibility of the upload corrupting. This can happen due to any number of things that are completely out of the editors control. This is why we have a double-check system on this very site, so we can check if files arrive as they should. And even if the upload is successful there is still always the possibility that upon downloading the file corrupts. You generally don't have a hash file to check these things.

If as a coordinator you wish to increase the overall quality of the contest you're organizing. It would also be in your best interest to possibly correct simple things that people might not know about. Shooting someone a message telling them something is interlaced, has frame blending or something else silly that can be remedied by reexporting properly. Insures that for future reference people learn right from wrong. All while increasing the overall quality of the contest.

People shouldn't complain about the amount of "bad" video's if they themselves have hand in correcting people for future reference. This is a two way street between editors and coordinators. Communication is key.

Now you start treating me as a troll/flamer, look at what I'm trying to get at. As aggravating as it might be to you. I'm merely giving advice from one coordinator to another. And if the way I formulate my sentences comes off as rude then pardon me as that is far from what I was trying to do.

Again I can't stress how valuable this is for a con that takes pride in their contest. Then again if you wish to ignore the insight and advice I just gave. Then feel free to do so.
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Re: Anime Expo 2010 Anime Music Video Contest Rules Up

Postby XStylus » Mon Jun 21, 2010 10:58 pm

Niotex wrote:I'm merely giving advice from one coordinator to another.

I've made my point. I'm not going to go in circles with this. But since I'm not sure if the above comment was referenced to me or not, I'll just clarify once again just in case: I'm not a coordinator.
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Re: Anime Expo 2010 Anime Music Video Contest Rules Up

Postby Niotex » Mon Jun 21, 2010 10:58 pm

Then don't speak for DP.
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Re: Anime Expo 2010 Anime Music Video Contest Rules Up

Postby Ryvannis » Mon Jun 21, 2010 11:20 pm

Niotex wrote:Then don't speak for DP.


I really disliked posting after that "accidental" post of mine but I really can't help it this time, let's not try and stir up any drama. Your merely asking for it, and I'm not trying to emphasize that as a personal opinion Niotex.

As xstylus is merely giving a perspective from his experience and what he see's with his involvement with the contest. People should send their entries ahead of time so he can check, and going through the 3 tubs of entries that were sent at the last minute does not net people the ability to complain and be upset if their entry is flawed. So far the contest has been running smoothly in the technical side of things and Michael's decision to mandate how he receives and checks videos is up to him as the only issue would be viewing times for the judges. If anything that's a very nice thing to do so that every entry get's a chance despite it's quality/editing.
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Re: Anime Expo 2010 Anime Music Video Contest Rules Up

Postby Ileia » Mon Jun 21, 2010 11:47 pm

I don't see how Niotex is being rude at all, certainly not by comparison to individuals who are editing their posts after saying decidedly rude things.
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Re: Anime Expo 2010 Anime Music Video Contest Rules Up

Postby XStylus » Tue Jun 22, 2010 12:18 am

Niotex wrote:Then don't speak for DP.


I never have, and have frequently and repeatedly made it clear that I do not. I speak as a judge who would like to give the people here some insight on the judging process and my experiences. I would like to think such info was of value (it certainly gave you a great deal of griping material), but if you'd rather I keep my mouth shut, then noooooo problem.

See ya'll at the con. Peace.
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Re: Anime Expo 2010 Anime Music Video Contest Rules Up

Postby Tearx » Tue Jun 22, 2010 12:30 am

It seems as if everyone is taking things on more of a personal level, shouldn't we just take in what others have to say and look at it once next year comes around. No ones looking to create drama. It's all simple suggestions to improve the contest. If you like it or not this AMV Contest has had somewhat a bad reputation through what I know, and am seeing right now. By all means I do not feel the need to point fingers and whine about it, but just take in what the editors (and viewers) have to say so we can improve and not bitch about it.
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Re: Anime Expo 2010 Anime Music Video Contest Rules Up

Postby DigitalPanther » Tue Jun 22, 2010 12:37 am

Oigh... I have no desire to perpetuate drama nor conflict of personalities, of which there seems to be plenty.

Normally, in the past years I have run the contest, I have made it a priority to check and log discs as they come in. That way any damaged or borked tech on entries can be noted.

This year, My responsibilities outside of the contest spiraled. Not an excuse, just a contributing factor.

Hence my plan to get assistants next year. There was a case where an individuals disc literally came in shattered. I contacted them as soon as I discovered it to work through possible solutions.
Like I stated earlier, 98% of our entries were down to the wire. so resubs weren't an option within the rules.

The idea of a two tier deadline has some promise...though I am thinking of a variant of it. Keep the dead line the same but point out in the rules that any entries received after date X (the soft deadline) will not be eligible for possible resub if there is technical issues.

Much food for thought here. Some great suggestions and i thank you all for them.

And yes I caught the slaps on the PMs comment Niotex. Fear not. I have given my apologies. let us please not turn the deceased equine into a crimson dye job on the carpeting ne?

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Re: Anime Expo 2010 Anime Music Video Contest Rules Up

Postby LittleAtari » Tue Jun 22, 2010 1:58 am

When it comes to the issue of resubmitting and corrupted files, I think this is where switching to an FTP or other form of online entry really helps. Discs can get corrupted and there is an issue with entries such as HUFFY being a lot data to be burned to a disc that something can go wrong in the writing process of the disc. Personally, I find it a lot easier on both the entrants and the coordinators when a server is setup for people to upload their entries to.

For the coordinators, all the entries are in one place. For the entrants, it allows them to upload the file and then download it to check that the file works properly and is not corrupted. When it comes to resubmissions, a entrant simply has to reupload it. This means that the entrant can resubmit their video the day that they find out that it didnt pass the quality check, instead of waiting for days for it to get back to the contest coordinator through the mail. Also, you get to save money on postage.

On a personal note, FTP or online submission is one of the first things I look at when I enter a contest. It actually discourages me from entering when I see that FTP is not available.

As for everything else that has been going on in this thread, honestly, the reason that all of the stuff going on is a big deal is that AX is a HUGE deal. It is the biggest anime convention in the US. As an editor, I would LOVE to see one of my videos played at AX. Even saying 'love' is a big understatement for how much I'd like for a video of mine to be played at AX. As an editor, I want my videos to be seen by as many people that I can get them to. But I didnt enter this year or last year. Sadly, it's because I dont expect my videos to be judged or handled in a respectful or honorable way. I dont have much respect for the actual contest because of things that have happened this year or previous years and I just dont want the stress or disappointment. I'm not saying this to bash on the coordinators, judges or contests but to express that I, as an editor, do not like how a lot of things keep turning out with this contest and I do hope that you guys fix it because I would love to enter your contest and be a part of it. I even have a proxy planned for whenever I do decide to finally enter (kazemon15, I'm looking at you).

I wish you the coordinators and judges good luck with both this year's contest and next year's. Hopefully, it improves and I'll enter :)
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Re: Anime Expo 2010 Anime Music Video Contest Rules Up

Postby Rider4Z » Tue Jun 22, 2010 9:53 am

yeah seriously guys, doesn't the drama just tire you out after a while? anything that can be said and done about the contest this year is far from gone. so just let it go until after the con so we can stop worrying about whose pride is being hurt, and DP can stop having to worry about cleaning the gossip and politics that seem to so easily start on this thread.
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Re: Anime Expo 2010 Anime Music Video Contest Rules Up

Postby outlawed » Tue Jun 22, 2010 2:00 pm

This is what happens when you violate rules!
http://www.jdnews.com/articles/rock-795 ... rules.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhKRaCZqWME

We could use lie detectors to vet finalists like this fishing tournament!
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