Let's talk about the AWA 15 Pro Discs!

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Re: Let's talk about the AWA 15 Pro Discs!

Postby Cyanna » Sun Aug 16, 2009 10:31 am

Scintilla wrote:
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kholaras wrote:That's a new one...

I haven't had that problem with anything so far. Hardware or software player?

If this is news to you, it most likely IS the player. It doesn't like ANY DVD we throw at it.

Not true. It's been playing a lot of DVDs just fine. It only seems to glitch up on certain ones, and then only at certain points.


Play it on the computer first and if it still glitches up like that THEN I'll believe it's the discs fault. I just can't believe that we've managed to purchase 10+ dud discs in the past year, Mr. "WHY DOES THIS ALWAYS HAPPEN?!" :wink:
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Re: Let's talk about the AWA 15 Pro Discs!

Postby Scintilla » Sun Aug 16, 2009 11:34 am

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Cyanna wrote:If this is news to you, it most likely IS the player. It doesn't like ANY DVD we throw at it.

Not true. It's been playing a lot of DVDs just fine. It only seems to glitch up on certain ones, and then only at certain points.

Play it on the computer first and if it still glitches up like that THEN I'll believe it's the discs fault. I just can't believe that we've managed to purchase 10+ dud discs in the past year, Mr. "WHY DOES THIS ALWAYS HAPPEN?!" :wink:

Who said anything about dud disks? You know those played fine on the PC. If they'd been bad discs, I would have ordered them returned for replacement.

It's probably something to do with the way those disks were authored that the PS2 doesn't like. But that doesn't change the fact that it can play most of our discs just fine, while you said "ANY DVD".

Also, when the hell did this board implement a limit to quote nesting?
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Re: Let's talk about the AWA 15 Pro Discs!

Postby The Wired Knight » Sun Aug 16, 2009 12:39 pm

Damn! 5.5 gigs? Going to take me forever to download all these.
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Re: Let's talk about the AWA 15 Pro Discs!

Postby Scintilla » Sun Aug 16, 2009 1:41 pm

Wow, this last menu on disk 1 is screwy.

For anyone wondering how the heck to get to videos #20 and (especially) #22: first you have to go to #24 and hit left, which brings you to #20; and only then can you hit down to go to #22.
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Re: Let's talk about the AWA 15 Pro Discs!

Postby Lord Rae » Mon Aug 17, 2009 6:26 am

I only got through about 15 of the videos last night but I gotta say I quite enjoyed several of them. Which is a nice change of pace. If the second disc is better then I think its a pretty good contest this year. The first 8 videos had a couple I really enjoyed.
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Re: Let's talk about the AWA 15 Pro Discs!

Postby Sephiroth » Mon Aug 17, 2009 7:47 am

also if you want to quickly jump through every video they're labled as ever odd title after the first one if you want to see the title cards just go to the even titles.
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Re: Let's talk about the AWA 15 Pro Discs!

Postby Brad » Mon Aug 17, 2009 6:30 pm

So here's my question. How many of you are actually burning the DVDs and playing them on a standalone player? And of those of you that are, is that a really big deal to you (as in, you wouldn't want to watch them any other way?)

I'm asking because, it seems like doing it this way is starting to become fairly archaic and out-dated. It seems like it'd make more sense to just provide a downloadable pack of just standard video files. It'd be way smaller and easier for people who just want to watch them on their computer. Obviously I don't have any firm data on this but my guess would be that around 75-80% of people would probably be perfectly fine with this and the people that like the DVDs would more than likely be content with doing it this way.

Not only would this make downloading the videos much faster, but it'd save time from the coordinators standpoint where they don't have to mess around with creating DVD menus (that always seem to have bugs), it'd be less likely to screw up as far as syncing/AR goes. Just seems like it's time to give up the ghost and get with the times :o
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Re: Let's talk about the AWA 15 Pro Discs!

Postby Scintilla » Mon Aug 17, 2009 6:44 pm

Brad wrote:So here's my question. How many of you are actually burning the DVDs and playing them on a standalone player? And of those of you that are, is that a really big deal to you (as in, you wouldn't want to watch them any other way?)

Being able to just pop those disks in and play them in any DVD player over my HDTV (or anyone else's) is an enormous convenience. Watching them on my computer monitor just can't compare, and it's certainly much less attractive as far as the remote prospect of one day inviting people over for an AWA Pro party is concerned.

Plus, this way there are no compromises on video quality.
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Re: Let's talk about the AWA 15 Pro Discs!

Postby inthesto » Mon Aug 17, 2009 8:24 pm

I'm all for doing whatever inconveniences the most people.
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Re: Let's talk about the AWA 15 Pro Discs!

Postby Haunter103 » Mon Aug 17, 2009 9:02 pm

I prefer the DVDs. Usually me and Todd get together to watch the Pro vids, and it's less hastle to just have them on a DVD to play them on a TV screen in the living room or basement (depending on who's place we're at). If you want to get with the times, have blu-ray image files available for download to burn :\
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Re: Let's talk about the AWA 15 Pro Discs!

Postby AquaSky » Mon Aug 17, 2009 9:05 pm

I've burned the ISOs since the first year they've been available. Makes it more fun to watch them on the big screen in the living room as opposed to hunched over a computer monitor.

Besides, it's simple to mount an iso on a virtual drive if you're inclined towards PC viewing.
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Re: Let's talk about the AWA 15 Pro Discs!

Postby Moonlight Soldier » Mon Aug 17, 2009 10:07 pm

Yea, I burn 'em too >>
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Re: Let's talk about the AWA 15 Pro Discs!

Postby Ileia » Mon Aug 17, 2009 10:25 pm

Last year, I extracted the ISO and watched it that way. This year, I mounted the ISO (sexy) and watched it like that on my computer. The DVD menu is kinda weird, but it's okay. I don't have any problems either way.
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Re: Let's talk about the AWA 15 Pro Discs!

Postby Nessephanie » Mon Aug 17, 2009 10:27 pm

I don't. If I had the physical discs I'd either rip em onto the comp, or watch them on the computer >_>
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Re: Let's talk about the AWA 15 Pro Discs!

Postby kholaras » Mon Aug 17, 2009 10:30 pm

The sync issues (both this year and previously, but for different specific reasons) have been related to the mpeg conversion process, not the dvd mastering process. With the wide variety of formats I'm getting and, despite presumably using the same or similar software for exporting, the stupidly large range of subtle export permutations there is no single conversion routine I can use that will assure, 100%, that the final result is without flaw. I try to catch as many of the issues as possible but some are always going to get through. If you have 2 hours to listen to me bitch and moan at the convention, I'd be happy to give you a complete accounting of the bugs and incompatibilities I've encountered over the years producing this contest.

As for the DVD specific quirks (navigation mostly) some of it's spec limitations, some are quirks of the mastering software (last page of the first disc this year...the size of the buttons in the 4 high column are apparently the problem. I made them bigger and didn't retest the navigation on a hardware player), etc. Yes, we could get rid of the dvd and just go with individual video files but that just increases the likelyhood of people not downloading certain videos at all. Yea, one can skip over them on the disc now, but I feel better about it being truly one's decision to skip it vs being a failure on my part to even get that editor's video to the viewer. It also ensures a consistent viewing experience, ie for those folks that want to watch it on their home entertainment system but don't have a multimedia pc hooked up to it. If you want, mount the iso (or open it with the wide selection of programs that treat iso's like a container) and drag out the vobs. Probably not as nice since they're mastered as monolithic titlesets this year rather than distinct individual ones but...

Oh, and the file size difference for individual files vs a mastered disc is negligible. Assuming you actually download them all. And it's not like we forced people to take the download option.

Are there problems and issues with the current system? Yea, but as we see it it's a decent compromise having considered a lot of the alternatives.
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