TheAX AMV Contest 2009 Finalists are...

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Re: TheAX AMV Contest 2009 Finalists are...

Postby Vlad G Pohnert » Wed Jul 08, 2009 12:21 am

OK People, If this starts to become a flame war or attacks against one another then the thread WILL be locked! Constructive comments or dicussions of how the contest went or should go, etc are fine.... This will be the only warning

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Re: TheAX AMV Contest 2009 Finalists are...

Postby dwchang » Wed Jul 08, 2009 12:22 am

Niotex wrote:
MisterFurious wrote:
Pwolf wrote:I havn't entered a video into AX for a few years because I didn't like how it was run


And here is where you admit that you are part of the problem. I'm sure you're not the only AMV creator who became disillusioned with AX following the fiascos of the lost videos. However, by not entering, all prideful editors have opened the door for lesser editors to create crap and be rewarded with nominations and, in some cases, awards.

It's simple math. AX needs to pull 28 videos from a pool of all entries. If that pool is smaller because people aren't entering, then the quality suffers. It's not rocket science.

Stop complaining about the quality, step up to the plate, and submit kick-ass videos! The contest will be all the better for it.

Do you realize you too are a huge part of the problem? If there is one person who is singlehandedly setting us back 7 years it is you sir. As all those "lesser" editors with their "crap" all come from that abortion you dare to call an "AMV workshop." If I had attended myself I would have probably drop kicked that arrogant smirk off your face right then and there. Those people deserve better than to listen to you circle jerking old men and talking about how great you once were, only to follow up with telling these poor people to encode to DV rather than lossless and de-interlace in Premiere.

However rather than indulging myself in drop kicking you in the face, I will take up your challenge and be sure to attend as well as submit to AX 2010. If only to to look down on a outdated old man who doesn't belong anymore. You are clearly what one would call "legacy rubbish." Decent once, but unable to get with the times.

See you next year Brad. Don't grin too much though as I might wipe the floor with you.


Uhm I think this post is more of a personal attack than constructive. You can feel how you want and whatnot, but bad form Mitch.
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Re: TheAX AMV Contest 2009 Finalists are...

Postby milkmandan » Wed Jul 08, 2009 12:23 am

Pwolf wrote:I'm not talking about any one video specifically. I'm talking in general based on what I've read about the quality of the videos in the contest.

Yes, true, but we are talking about multiple videos with problems and a general consensus that the majority of the videos sucked.

If i were you, i'd download some of these videos and watch em yourself before reading into it :\ especially taking the view points of the critiques on this forum, some may be skewed. judge it for yourself

It is like judging a book by reading a review from the new york times. its biased.
but granted yes, there were some videos that were so-so.

but! my video didn't suck! :)

Pwolf wrote:I know what he is saying and I disagree. I've been doing this for 9 1/2 years and I cannot watch a video without taking into consideration the technical challenges. If an editor doesn't fix the simple stuff, it makes them look lazy. There are situations where the editor might miss something but based on what i've read, the blatantly obvious errors should be fixed before the video is completed.

Ok that makes sense...i agree then.
I know i personally try to go into great care to make sure my videos are correct in the technical means.

Pwolf wrote:I stopped sending to AX because I disagreed with the staff's decisions. I've waited the 2-3 years it's been with the new staff in hopes I would hear good things. Unfortunately I'm not hearing a lot of good coming out of it. Part of my rant here has to do with my overall frustration with how contest coordinators are managing their contests. It feels like they are getting lazy. We are basically allowing editors to disregard all the basics and fundamentals of video editing. A video should be judged based on the quality of the editing and that includes the technical aspect, not wither or not the audience is going to get a laugh.

You would've seen one of my videos in the contest if the coordinator allowed it (30 seconds too long). Its a little disheartening to hear about a video who's editor is lazy about making it presentable can enter the contest while a video who's editor spends a great deal of time and effort into making his video look the best can't enter the video because it's 30 seconds too long (which means nothing about how well the video is).

This is good that you are speaking up! If that is the case Pwolf, i prolly would've taken your stance as well.
Certain AMVs in this year probably were not up to par, and if you got DQed for 30 seconds, then i understand where you are coming from.
We finished AMVs in good time this year, and everything went smoothly. I am not the contest coordinator, but if i were, i would have screen your video. (if there was absolutely no way for you to cut it down).
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Re: TheAX AMV Contest 2009 Finalists are...

Postby Castor Troy » Wed Jul 08, 2009 12:32 am

Vlad G Pohnert wrote:OK People, If this starts to become a flame war or attacks against one another then the thread WILL be locked! Constructive comments or dicussions of how the contest went or should go, etc are fine.... This will be the only warning

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No, I still want to see more amv drama! :lol:
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Re: TheAX AMV Contest 2009 Finalists are...

Postby Fall_Child42 » Wed Jul 08, 2009 12:37 am

I have read through this thread, and although i agree with some points, I disagree with others.

I only have one question.

Do you like tamale?

Hot hot tamale?

My personal stance, after carefully deliberating over all the evidence, I have come to a single unrefutable epiphany...

I like tamale hot hot.
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Re: TheAX AMV Contest 2009 Finalists are...

Postby milkmandan » Wed Jul 08, 2009 12:40 am

Niotex wrote:Do you realize you too are a huge part of the problem? If there is one person who is singlehandedly setting us back 7 years it is you sir. As all those "lesser" editors with their "crap" all come from that abortion you dare to call an "AMV workshop." If I had attended myself I would have probably drop kicked that arrogant smirk off your face right then and there. Those people deserve better than to listen to you circle jerking old men and talking about how great you once were, only to follow up with telling these poor people to encode to DV rather than lossless and de-interlace in Premiere.

However rather than indulging myself in drop kicking you in the face, I will take up your challenge and be sure to attend as well as submit to AX 2010. If only to to look down on a outdated old man who doesn't belong anymore. You are clearly what one would call "legacy rubbish." Decent once, but unable to get with the times.

See you next year Brad. Don't grin too much though as I might wipe the floor with you.

Wow you are just rude O_o its not even funny how disrespectful you are.
I was one of the people on the panel with Brad, and i assure you i am not an old man and neither is Brad.
We tried our best to answer as many questions as we could. I was dying for someone to ask an aspect ratio question so we could cover the topic.
I don't remember us telling ANYONE to encode to DV rather than lossless. At least from my perspective with editing on a PC.

i really hope the AMV workshop does not come off as a place for us to boast as I can assure you that is not the intention. we mean the best and to help those that really have no clue to start.

Kisanzi wrote:Comedy was the most solid this year with videos that had a good deal of thought and difficult editing.

I hope you are including mine as well (r0b07$) >_<, i respect you a lot as an editor and the videos you've produced, so for you to say that makes me happy~

Kisanzi wrote:The contest event on the staff side was run the best in years. It started on time, no technical difficulties, had a large turnout, and the pre-show AMVs were a great touch that I hope keeps happening in future years.

Props go to Micheal and his crew for this one.

Kisanzi wrote:x2. Very good idea Vlad. It doesn't make alot of sense for the general audience to be judging a category like pro that should be analyzing the entries on a professional and in-depth scale. And we need upbeat back for all the dance vids/etc. Just cut each category next year by one vid and you're more than half there guys.

x3 as well in regards to vlads suggestion over mine. ;)

Kisanzi wrote:Well, the contest this year was the weakest I've seen in years. As it's been said with the categorizing fiasco aside, many of the videos lacked the substance and editing expected of an AMV contest finalist, especially for a contest that gets hundreds of entries.

wow good thing you didn't see FanimeCon's AMV contest then. AX was finalists were far greater than FanimeCon's. but fanimecon also messed itself up, by doing that whole themed thing, and switching it out in the end, extending the deadline, so they actually kinda messed themselves over :\ but yeah

Castor Troy wrote:No, I still want to see more amv drama! :lol:

hahhahaahaaaa i am taking it all in stride :)
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Re: TheAX AMV Contest 2009 Finalists are...

Postby Pwolf » Wed Jul 08, 2009 12:47 am

Nio: Calm down dude...

milkmandan wrote:If i were you, i'd download some of these videos and watch em yourself before reading into it :\ especially taking the view points of the critiques on this forum, some may be skewed. judge it for yourself


True, I probably should download the finalist and see for myself, but I do give some weight to certain people's opinions so I feel like it would be a waste of time >.>


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Re: TheAX AMV Contest 2009 Finalists are...

Postby milkmandan » Wed Jul 08, 2009 12:52 am

Pwolf wrote:True, I probably should download the finalist and see for myself, but I do give some weight to certain people's opinions so I feel like it would be a waste of time >.>

Thats cool, i am sorry about your video this year btw :(
its the Macross: Angel's Voice one right?
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Re: TheAX AMV Contest 2009 Finalists are...

Postby MisterFurious » Wed Jul 08, 2009 1:30 am

Pwolf wrote:Brad, I agree, but I didn't stop entering because they couldn't keep proper backups. I didn't agree with their decisions (wont go into it here). AX has always been one of the best contest i've enjoyed entering and it was hard to just stop.

And, I did step up to the plate and wanted to submit a "kick ass video". But the contest coordinator wouldn't allow it because it was too long, no exceptions. I waited half a year to submit the video and he wouldn't allow it. It's not my fault they don't want quality content.


My apologies for assuming you were one of the many who got sick of AX losing videos before the contest. I didn't know the whole story. I'm sure your 7:30 video is kick-ass, and it's a ballsy move to make one that long. Unfortunately, some other contests have even shorter time limits (Otakon's is 5:00).

This is a stretch, but have you considered condensing it? Shortening a 7:30 video to 7:00 would require a less than 7% speed increase, hardly noticeable (particularly by the general audience voting for it) if you adjust the pitch on the song. I used a similar technique to get "Signal to Noise" under the seven-minute limit, just for AX.
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Re: TheAX AMV Contest 2009 Finalists are...

Postby XStylus » Wed Jul 08, 2009 1:46 am

Pwolf wrote:A video in an AMV contest should be technically sound as well as well edited. Since AMV contests don't have awards for the technical stuff, one should expect that the pre-judging would weed out the videos that don't meet a certain standard. The fact that the AMV coordinator(s) allowed videos with obvious technical and editing errors tells me that they do not care about the standards or the presentation of the video.


Okay, I know you've judged/ran an AMV competition before, and that comment tells me that the quality and number of submissions each of your categories received is drastically different than ours.

There's a lot I want to say, but it's not my place to. I'll just say that we don't have the luxury of being picky (except maybe drama).
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Re: TheAX AMV Contest 2009 Finalists are...

Postby XStylus » Wed Jul 08, 2009 1:54 am

MisterFurious wrote:
Pwolf wrote:I havn't entered a video into AX for a few years because I didn't like how it was run


And here is where you admit that you are part of the problem. I'm sure you're not the only AMV creator who became disillusioned with AX following the fiascos of the lost videos. However, by not entering, all prideful editors have opened the door for lesser editors to create crap and be rewarded with nominations and, in some cases, awards.


This, in addition to the bullshit "troll" rules of other competitions that make people hold out their best stuff. :evil:

It's simple math. AX needs to pull 28 videos from a pool of all entries. If that pool is smaller because people aren't entering, then the quality suffers. It's not rocket science.

BINGO!

Us judges aren't idiots. We know what a good vid looks like. If a substandard video made it in, it's because you didn't submit something better.
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Re: TheAX AMV Contest 2009 Finalists are...

Postby LC_Lapen » Wed Jul 08, 2009 2:03 am

Rider4Z wrote:i admit i voted for The Goodship Lifestyle in action


And there was much rejoicing.

people a lotta time tend to forget it's called "Action SLASH Adventure". it's not all about hand to hand / mecha to mecha combat kinda stuff that qualifies for this category.


Thank you for reassuring me. I was worried that my video may have seemed out of place in the action, but upon reflection, it would have seemed even weirder in drama among the romance and somber AMVs. Sometimes it sucks having an AMV with no clear categorical classification.


Oh, and did somebody mention Tamales? I wants some Tamales.

Hot Tamales, Hot Tamales, ~

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Re: TheAX AMV Contest 2009 Finalists are...

Postby machina21 » Wed Jul 08, 2009 2:05 am

LC_Lapen wrote:

Oh, and did somebody mention Tamales?.


Wrapped in banana leaves plz!
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Re: TheAX AMV Contest 2009 Finalists are...

Postby Manganate » Wed Jul 08, 2009 2:27 am

Niotex wrote:Do you realize you too are a huge part of the problem? If there is one person who is singlehandedly setting us back 7 years it is you sir. As all those "lesser" editors with their "crap" all come from that abortion you dare to call an "AMV workshop." If I had attended myself I would have probably drop kicked that arrogant smirk off your face right then and there. Those people deserve better than to listen to you circle jerking old men and talking about how great you once were, only to follow up with telling these poor people to encode to DV rather than lossless and de-interlace in Premiere.

However rather than indulging myself in drop kicking you in the face, I will take up your challenge and be sure to attend as well as submit to AX 2010. If only to to look down on a outdated old man who doesn't belong anymore. You are clearly what one would call "legacy rubbish." Decent once, but unable to get with the times.

See you next year Brad. Don't grin too much though as I might wipe the floor with you.


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Re: TheAX AMV Contest 2009 Finalists are...

Postby Ryvannis » Wed Jul 08, 2009 2:32 am

Pwolf wrote:Nio: Calm down dude...

milkmandan wrote:If i were you, i'd download some of these videos and watch em yourself before reading into it :\ especially taking the view points of the critiques on this forum, some may be skewed. judge it for yourself


True, I probably should download the finalist and see for myself, but I do give some weight to certain people's opinions so I feel like it would be a waste of time >.>


Pwolf


Angel's Voice would have owned the Drama category to be honest, though I'm worried about mainstream opinion being a factor in that.
But really seeing all these mean comments about how weak the category saddens me a bit, some people actually tried and put effort into their videos, like mine for example. :|

There's no need to flame the contest like this either, let alone make outright rude comments about each other, whats done is done. I'm sure Michael will take note to improve on it for next year and I'm sure then the contest will be better then.
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