Finalists for Anime Expo Anime Music Video Contest 2008

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Postby MisterFurious » Tue Jul 01, 2008 11:21 pm

DigitalPanther wrote:7 finalists per category.
1-7 action
11-17 Drama
21-27 Comedy
31-37 Pro
Best of show. 91-94

I realize it is not the best of methods for this time around. this is a test and , due to a variety of interferences some my fault, some not, we weren't able to get the machines back in march when Anneke and I started the research.

I was more focused on getting the discs done and and prepped on time and such. It almost fell through the cracks. I apologize.

I have formated the recaps so the number for the video is clearly shown.
Ex:
BALLOT #:
[ 2 ]

as a very visible bug in the lower right corner during the recap segment.

If this works we will be purchasing a machine that we can make custom sheets for and making more effective forms. This year, we doing the best we can with what we have.

-DP


I think I understand, although you're locking the audience into voting for ONLY the category winners as best-of-show. It has happened in past contests (though not at AX as long as I can remember) that the best-of-show winner wasn't necessarily the winner in its category.

Ladies and gentlemen of the AMV community....I'm just a caveman! Your modern world scares and confuses me. When I hear all your talk of scantron forms and balloting I just want to run away - to my house in Malibu.
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Postby MisterFurious » Tue Jul 01, 2008 11:27 pm

DigitalPanther wrote:its numbered 1 - 100 in 20 lines 5 bubbles each. It has a ballot mode so it will count vs grade right against wrong. See previous post for methodology in numbering used.
-DP


5 bubbles each? So how do the attendees know which one of the five to fill in for the video they're voting for? Will a vote count if they fill in the wrong bubble for their video?

And will we count hanging chads?
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Postby DigitalPanther » Wed Jul 02, 2008 1:04 am

MisterFurious wrote:
DigitalPanther wrote:its numbered 1 - 100 in 20 lines 5 bubbles each. It has a ballot mode so it will count vs grade right against wrong. See previous post for methodology in numbering used.
-DP


5 bubbles each? So how do the attendees know which one of the five to fill in for the video they're voting for? Will a vote count if they fill in the wrong bubble for their video?

And will we count hanging chads?


Please refer to my previous post.
The category recaps will show the ballot number for the video in question.
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Postby The Wired Knight » Wed Jul 02, 2008 6:27 am

MisterFurious wrote:
DigitalPanther wrote:7 finalists per category.
1-7 action
11-17 Drama
21-27 Comedy
31-37 Pro
Best of show. 91-94

I realize it is not the best of methods for this time around. this is a test and , due to a variety of interferences some my fault, some not, we weren't able to get the machines back in march when Anneke and I started the research.

I was more focused on getting the discs done and and prepped on time and such. It almost fell through the cracks. I apologize.

I have formated the recaps so the number for the video is clearly shown.
Ex:
BALLOT #:
[ 2 ]

as a very visible bug in the lower right corner during the recap segment.

If this works we will be purchasing a machine that we can make custom sheets for and making more effective forms. This year, we doing the best we can with what we have.

-DP


I think I understand, although you're locking the audience into voting for ONLY the category winners as best-of-show. It has happened in past contests (though not at AX as long as I can remember) that the best-of-show winner wasn't necessarily the winner in its category.

Ladies and gentlemen of the AMV community....I'm just a caveman! Your modern world scares and confuses me. When I hear all your talk of scantron forms and balloting I just want to run away - to my house in Malibu.


Actually I want to say that it has happened, I believe it did sometime around 2003 that the Best in Show was not in fact the winner of its best in catagory, I could be wrong on this but I'm fairly certain it did happen at AX within recent years.
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Postby anneke » Wed Jul 02, 2008 10:02 am

Only a 20 question ballot...

Question 1 & 2 (Action)
Question 1
A - Video 1
B - Video 2
C - Video 3
D - Video 4
E - Video 5

Question 2
A - Video 6
B - Video 7

Ofcourse it would seem that instead of letters the bubbles are numbered.

I HIGHLY recommend that there be instructions shown on the screens, before and after (and even during) the contest to make sure people understand how to judge/use the ballots.

If you can't scan the ballot into the computer to then edit a demo, you could find a picture of a scantron on-line I'm sure. You don't have much time but a little video/power point to explain to everyone how to judge/use the ballots would be wonderful.

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sorry to bring this up again..

Postby Hofuzz » Wed Jul 02, 2008 4:50 pm

umm from what I gathered from earlier posts, if we can't make it to the AMV 101 Panel to pick up our creator tickets, do we try to ask for you at the Nokia Theater some time after that?

And was it two tickets per entry form/group, rather than 2 tickets per group member like before?

Just wanted to make sure, thanks!
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Re: sorry to bring this up again..

Postby DigitalPanther » Thu Jul 03, 2008 4:47 am

Hofuzz wrote:umm from what I gathered from earlier posts, if we can't make it to the AMV 101 Panel to pick up our creator tickets, do we try to ask for you at the Nokia Theater some time after that?

And was it two tickets per entry form/group, rather than 2 tickets per group member like before?

Just wanted to make sure, thanks!
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two tickets per-form. I was unaware of it being two per group member previously.
In order to make special arrangement for your tix you would need to have contacted me previously (like last week or earlier) to make alternate arrangements. One creator has already done so.
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It was great to finally see you all at the dinner this evening. Thanks for welcoming myself and Anneke we had a great time and look forward to attending them in the future.
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Postby DigitalPanther » Thu Jul 03, 2008 4:50 am

anneke wrote:Only a 20 question ballot...

Question 1 & 2 (Action)
Question 1
A - Video 1
B - Video 2
C - Video 3
D - Video 4
E - Video 5

Question 2
A - Video 6
B - Video 7

Ofcourse it would seem that instead of letters the bubbles are numbered.

I HIGHLY recommend that there be instructions shown on the screens, before and after (and even during) the contest to make sure people understand how to judge/use the ballots.

If you can't scan the ballot into the computer to then edit a demo, you could find a picture of a scantron on-line I'm sure. You don't have much time but a little video/power point to explain to everyone how to judge/use the ballots would be wonderful.

-Anneke


You have more or less described my methodology only using letters not numbers. :)

Its all kinda moot now anyway. The machine didn't arrive. We have an alternate plan in place that will work as well...just a little labor intensive. But it also addresses they "What if best in show isn't best in category." (a concept that doesn't seem logical but is feasible I supppose.

-DP
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Postby Castor Troy » Fri Jul 04, 2008 2:17 am

Well, I just got back from the contest and here's how it went...

[spoiler]It actually started on time for the first time since 2001

Results will be posted tomorrow..
[/spoiler]
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Postby The Wired Knight » Fri Jul 04, 2008 3:27 am

Castor Troy wrote:Well, I just got back from the contest and here's how it went...

[spoiler]It actually started on time for the first time since 2001

Results will be posted tomorrow..
[/spoiler]


LIES!
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Postby MisterFurious » Fri Jul 04, 2008 11:49 am

The Wired Knight wrote:LIES!


No, that would be if they offered cake.....

Seriously, though, to be fair, the contest started only 7 minutes late, which by convention standards is "on time." Even more miraculous was that the whole thing was over by 10:30, even though DP was taking the time to walk on stage and verbally announce each video's editor, song source, and anime source.

Only two minor technical glitches. One video had the misfortune of overloading the DVD player and stuttered on two occasions. Granted, the show DVD had been tested on another player, and had worked fine, so that was not foreseeable. The second issue was that a few videos had MPEG-2 encoding glitches (you'd recognize them if you saw them - flashes of black blocks or a red screen). The two issues may be related. It's possible that the DVD's were encoded with too high a bit rate, which can overload some DVD players.

Minor quibbles, really, in light of how well everything went. A spectacular evening indeed. The Nokia theater has great seats, beautiful lighting, and my video never looked better than on their screens. Even though I know I probably didn't win anything, I feel honored to have been part of such an enjoyable contest.

I never doubted DP would pull off such a great show. He's been on AV staff as long as I can remember, which means he saw all the lessons the previous coordinators learned before becoming one himself. A contest that went this smoothly is almost unheard of at AX, but from a first-time organizer, it is nothing short of spectacular.

Great job, DP! Can't wait to see what improvements you can make next year (though I am still dubious about the scantron).
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Postby Castor Troy » Fri Jul 04, 2008 12:16 pm

A couple of the videos also had interlacing problems. That wavy watery effect on some of the videos was definitely not an effect, but videos that weren't properly deinterlaced. It was especially visible on videos with high motion scenes.
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Postby MisterFurious » Fri Jul 04, 2008 12:24 pm

Castor Troy wrote:A couple of the videos also had interlacing problems. That wavy watery effect on some of the videos was definitely not an effect, but videos that weren't properly deinterlaced. It was especially visible on videos with high motion scenes.


I'm starting to see that more and more. Even my video had interlacing issues. It's kind of inevitable, as conventions' switch to digital submissions means that progressive will become the AMV norm, rather than interlaced. Perhaps we should start doing what Nic does and de-interlace our videos before submitting.
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Postby Castor Troy » Fri Jul 04, 2008 1:00 pm

Here's my honest opinion of the contest...

The Action and Drama categories were the strongest imo. I give props to the AX judges for choosing drama videos that didn't make me wanna slit my wrists like most drama videos do. Comedy was the weakest category since a few videos were hit and miss (comedy is a dying "bread" so to speak). There were 2 videos that had wonderful concepts, but the editing wasn't good enough to fully carry those concepts because of alot of mediocre scene placement and badly attempted lipsync. AMTV was another hit or miss since there were videos that had tons of effects or not as much. Most of the crowd already seemed tired or brain fried so alot of the amtv videos didn't get alot of reaction.

It was as ok contest to me, but nothing really mindblowing. I still compare contests to the ones held in 2003 where I felt that year was the strongest in competition (especially at AX and Otakon). This year was huge step up from last year's disaster, but I didn't see all of last year's contest so I can't really make a fair comparison.

I'll admit it and I'm not gonna lie, but I do feel that my video and a few others that were shown during the preshow seating should have made it in. I do appreciate seeing my video during the preshow, but I admit that I would have liked to compete and see how I would fare against everyone else.

I definitely give props to Michael for his hard work into making the contest run smoothly for the first time in years. The Nokia theatre was an awesome venue to see videos and even the amv panel got a much nicer room (an actual small theater itself) this year. The most important thing is that I'm glad amvs are *finally* getting treated with respect at AX and I hope it continues for future ax's.
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Postby MisterFurious » Fri Jul 04, 2008 1:34 pm

Castor Troy wrote:AMTV was another hit or miss since there were videos that had tons of effects or not as much. Most of the crowd already seemed tired or brain fried so alot of the amtv videos didn't get alot of reaction.


I'll throw in my two cents in that there were a couple of AMTV-Pro videos that really belonged in other categories, like Drama or Action. There were also Drama videos that would have fit better into Action. However, for me there was still a clear-cut winner of this category, as there were in the other categories (except for Drama - it's always so difficult to predict that one).

Castor Troy wrote:I'll admit it and I'm not gonna lie, but I do feel that my video and a few others that were shown during the preshow seating should have made it in. I do appreciate seeing my video during the preshow, but I admit that I would have liked to compete and see how I would fare against everyone else.


Mad props to you for having the courage to say it, although you have a pretty kick-ass video to back up that argument. I loved it, particularly the incorporation of original "Rocky" footage.
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