AWA PRo Contest

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Postby Quu » Sun Jul 21, 2002 8:15 pm

digital submissions ambigious?

they are just an adition to the normal submission rules

all contests can be submitted digitally

if you upload for the pro contest (digital is cd or uploading) you still have to send the blank tapes

and if anybody else has problems with buying postage.... please contact me

i want to work out a method for anybody to submit
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Postby MCWagner » Mon Jul 22, 2002 1:23 pm

Administration talking here, no you don't need a proxy for pro contest. We'll do our best to get the award to you one way or another. (Although the box of awards to people we can't find keeps getting bigger every year.)
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Postby Quu » Tue Jul 30, 2002 11:34 am

the AWA Pro contest deadline is this friday

if you are thinking of submitting... you need to get things togethor soon

as a good option... you can send the blank tapes and return mailer ahead... then friday request an ftp accoutn to upload with

if you are outside the country or unable to get postage and mailers... PLEASE contact me... i can work somethign out... i really want to open this contest up to anybopdy who can and wants to enter...
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Postby dji » Tue Jul 30, 2002 11:51 am

Quu: my AWA Pro entry is in the mail.. I put it in the mail yesterday.. you should have it by Friday (no doubt).
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Postby Hakura » Tue Jul 30, 2002 12:04 pm

Quu, Yeah you should have if not have already my tapes ^^; Stupid Canadian postange :p

Bleh... ^^

Oh well I still can't wait for AWA ^^
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Postby Petro » Tue Jul 30, 2002 1:08 pm

Well, I finally decided not to compete this year: 3 VHS tapes + 1 CD + priority mail round trip postage = more than I want to pay for a contest. ^_^

If we can send blank CD-Rs next year I might be more inclined to compete.
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Postby Quu » Tue Jul 30, 2002 2:33 pm

your going to wait a VERY long time

I do not forsee any time in the furture putting the video entries onto CD-r for judging

the quality is just not there....

maybe eventually DVD-R... but that is a LONG way away... (way to many compatiblity issues)

I am sorry... but that is the way I see things...in some places VHS is still king
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Postby Petro » Tue Jul 30, 2002 5:13 pm

How many hours of videos do you expect? In DivX I'm usually able to make near DVD quality (640x480) videos that are about 2 hours and can fit on one 700 MB CD-R. If you drop the quality to VHS (320x240 - well, 352x240 if you wanna get technical) I could probably double that number.

With modern burners being able to burn a CD in 4 minutes easily, you get 1 copy of the votes (assuming 24 hours of videos - lord I hope it never gets that big) you get about 1 person's videos every 30 minutes (giving time to change CDs)

Let me know next year if you think you might want to try it on a trial basis - then again, if the competition gets much bigger I'm afraid you'll loose your sanity before I ever get involved. :wink:
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Postby AbsoluteDestiny » Tue Jul 30, 2002 5:26 pm

a) I think Quu knows how to encode things. He's not a technical guru for no reason you know.

b) not everybody has a PC that can play divx

c) not everyone has a computer (which also rules out vcds)

d) Dropping the resolution wouldnt save you enough bits to double the amount of videos you can store.

e) I'm not having my videos fucking re-encoded to divx thank you very much. VHS is still superior, has fewer technical issues and is universally accepted (especially as Quu can make tapes in different formats such as PAL)
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Postby Petro » Tue Jul 30, 2002 5:55 pm

AbsoluteDestiny wrote:a) I think Quu knows how to encode things. He's not a technical guru for no reason you know.

I was never doubting his abilities. I just thought it might be an interesting idea to try.

AbsoluteDestiny wrote:b) not everybody has a PC that can play divx

Which is why it was just an idea, and obviously wouldn't be forced on everyone. (which is also the reason I encode my videos in multiple formats)

AbsoluteDestiny wrote:c) not everyone has a computer (which also rules out vcds)

Again, see above.

AbsoluteDestiny wrote:d) Dropping the resolution wouldnt save you enough bits to double the amount of videos you can store.

It was a rough estimate that would obviously varry video to video.

AbsoluteDestiny wrote:e) I'm not having my videos fucking re-encoded to divx thank you very much. VHS is still superior, has fewer technical issues and is universally accepted (especially as Quu can make tapes in different formats such as PAL)

Thank you oh so much for the mature and informed language you used here. I respect your opinion, but I disagree that VHS is "superior" to all MPEG-4 based codecs. They're designed for different media, so I don't think a fair comparison can be made between them.

If DivX were as poor as you claim. I highly doubt Blizzard would have chosen it for all the Warcraft III cut scenes.

I wasn't trying to make policy, just make a suggestion for future cons. I personally just didn't want to spend $20+ to send my videos to a con I would not be attending, that's all. I like the idea of the Professional contest very much, and I wish more cons did it.

Good luck in the con AbsoluteDestiny.

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Postby Quu » Wed Jul 31, 2002 11:25 am

I am playing with MPEG-4 (not Divx... sorry but i don't like propriotary solutions) right now...

it still has a way to mature... i don't like what it does to interlaced video... (shimmering blocks)

which means that everybodies videos would have to be de interlaced which reduces quality

MPEG-4 ISO streams with multi pass VBR high profile video and 128 kilobit AAC audio MIGHT be able to make the grade... but not until i found a very very good mpeg-4 encoder....

and yes... i am experimenting with that... but again.... its only experiments.... still a while to go (need to find a good unix MPEG-4 player before i am compleatly happy)
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Postby Petro » Wed Jul 31, 2002 2:01 pm

Quu

I'm not sure how good it is, but I know that there's a Linux version of "The Player" from http://www.divx.com I'm not sure if it just plays DivX MPEG-4 files, or any MPEG-4, but you might want to check it out if you haven't already.

I know what you mean about the de-interlacing. I forgot about that. (It's oh so much fun fixing frames that weren't deinterlaced correctly) ^^;
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Postby AbsoluteDestiny » Wed Jul 31, 2002 2:15 pm

Sorry Petro, when I said "superior" I mean't in terms of accessibility.

I know what the mpeg4 standard is capable of (although I still think it loses too much colour information for it ever to be really useful, I can make some awesome mp4 encodes) but it's just not practical. It's going to take a long time before the mp4 standard is a standard that PCs will play effortlessly. At the moment that is far form the case. It's still incredibly new.

Although I didnt mention it I was also thinking of the problem of deinterlacing too. It's time consuming stuff and far too problematic for the organisers.

BTW, when reading my swearing, if you say it with an english accent you'll notice that it was in jest. I actually forgot the smilie ^_^

As for blizzard choosing it, it's simply better than anything else at small sizes (except realplayer 9 which is better for low bitrates but it a locked codec) which means lots of footage on cds. This doesn't mean that it's still better than a good analogue recording because it's not, really, (especially at the bitrates you are talking about) and it has none of the VHS standardisation advantages.
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Postby Quu » Wed Jul 31, 2002 4:38 pm

right now my opinion of MPEG-4 is it is shaping up to be a very good internet distrobution format

but should not even be considered for high quality archiving and distrobution

MPEG-2 is still king for that

the only advantage i have found for MPEG-4 over MPEG-2 is the audio

AAC is very very very sweet
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Postby Skeebadeetz » Thu Aug 15, 2002 8:46 am

AbsoluteDestiny wrote:Sorry Petro, when I said "superior" I mean't in terms of accessibility.


Damn..... mean't? Where's Jbone when you need him? lol :lol:

Anywho, if anyone's still checking the thread here. Why enter Pro? Well, not really why.... but why should I? I'd say at the moment - for me to enter would just be foolish. Who the hell would enter the Pro contest when it's their first AMV? :shock: The reason I ask is 'cause I am curious to what the "Pro" people think of the Exposition. Would your Pro entry end up in the Expo if you didn't want to send the tapes and pay the money and time?
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