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Postby Tsunami Jones » Tue Apr 12, 2005 8:54 pm

trythil wrote:
Scintilla wrote:I'm lost. Why is the minimum frame rate for MPEG-1 23.97, but for MPEG-2 it's 29.97?
(And wouldn't encoding at 23.976 and setting the 3:2 pulldown flag work for MPEG-2s?)


There's no technical reason, unless they're using a really low-end and/or crappy decoder that doesn't understand how to properly interpret the pulldown flag.


The site has it as 23.97 for MPEG-2, and 29.97 for MPEG-1, not the other way around.
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Postby Michieru » Tue Apr 12, 2005 10:09 pm

dokool wrote:
Michieru wrote:I have no idea. This was decided by manny I think because we plan on burning it all to a DVD and play everything off a dvd player. Might be the software there using does not accept some other frame rates. I would see what I can do. If maybe you guys can just send me a raw source and I convert them using some quicktime tools I got here. I would get more information on this as soon as I come back from burning someone at the park who thinks he can run faster than me. So for now, CIAO! :D


This sounds like the blind leading the blind.
But at least one is leading the line.to have a good amv contest which would not be some type of crime. :wink:
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Postby Michieru » Tue Apr 12, 2005 10:16 pm

Tsunami Jones wrote:
trythil wrote:
Scintilla wrote:I'm lost. Why is the minimum frame rate for MPEG-1 23.97, but for MPEG-2 it's 29.97?
(And wouldn't encoding at 23.976 and setting the 3:2 pulldown flag work for MPEG-2s?)


There's no technical reason, unless they're using a really low-end and/or crappy decoder that doesn't understand how to properly interpret the pulldown flag.


The site has it as 23.97 for MPEG-2, and 29.97 for MPEG-1, not the other way around.
Thanks for pointing that out I had just fix it sorry about that everyone.
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Postby dokool » Tue Apr 12, 2005 10:16 pm

Michieru wrote:
dokool wrote:
Michieru wrote:I have no idea. This was decided by manny I think because we plan on burning it all to a DVD and play everything off a dvd player. Might be the software there using does not accept some other frame rates. I would see what I can do. If maybe you guys can just send me a raw source and I convert them using some quicktime tools I got here. I would get more information on this as soon as I come back from burning someone at the park who thinks he can run faster than me. So for now, CIAO! :D


This sounds like the blind leading the blind.
But at least one is leading the line.to have a good amv contest which would not be some type of crime. :wink:


Unless stupidity is a crime, considering you seem to be walking into the same brick wall that Manny walks into on a daily basis.
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Postby Michieru » Tue Apr 12, 2005 10:17 pm

trythil wrote:Minimum framerate? No maximum?
Minimum video resolutions? No maximum?

Time to submit 60fps 1080p videos!

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Scintilla wrote:I'm lost. Why is the minimum frame rate for MPEG-1 23.97, but for MPEG-2 it's 29.97?
(And wouldn't encoding at 23.976 and setting the 3:2 pulldown flag work for MPEG-2s?)


There's no technical reason, unless they're using a really low-end and/or crappy decoder that doesn't understand how to properly interpret the pulldown flag.
I think I am just going to scale it back down anyway :P I have over 6GHZ in powerpc processing power and no I shall not begin to encode everyone's raw submissions.
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Postby Michieru » Tue Apr 12, 2005 10:20 pm

dokool wrote:
Michieru wrote:
dokool wrote:
Michieru wrote:I have no idea. This was decided by manny I think because we plan on burning it all to a DVD and play everything off a dvd player. Might be the software there using does not accept some other frame rates. I would see what I can do. If maybe you guys can just send me a raw source and I convert them using some quicktime tools I got here. I would get more information on this as soon as I come back from burning someone at the park who thinks he can run faster than me. So for now, CIAO! :D


This sounds like the blind leading the blind.
But at least one is leading the line.to have a good amv contest which would not be some type of crime. :wink:


Unless stupidity is a crime, considering you seem to be walking into the same brick wall that Manny walks into on a daily basis.
If you think I am going to mess up this upcoming AMV contest your wrong. I am not like Manny and if so point out how we are going to hit this so called brick wall.
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Postby dokool » Tue Apr 12, 2005 11:46 pm

Michieru wrote:
dokool wrote:
Michieru wrote:
dokool wrote:
Michieru wrote:I have no idea. This was decided by manny I think because we plan on burning it all to a DVD and play everything off a dvd player. Might be the software there using does not accept some other frame rates. I would see what I can do. If maybe you guys can just send me a raw source and I convert them using some quicktime tools I got here. I would get more information on this as soon as I come back from burning someone at the park who thinks he can run faster than me. So for now, CIAO! :D


This sounds like the blind leading the blind.
But at least one is leading the line.to have a good amv contest which would not be some type of crime. :wink:


Unless stupidity is a crime, considering you seem to be walking into the same brick wall that Manny walks into on a daily basis.
If you think I am going to mess up this upcoming AMV contest your wrong. I am not like Manny and if so point out how we are going to hit this so called brick wall.


You're basically making all these empty promises about how this contest will improve while ignoring the most commonly-made complaints (namely about the reputation that Kunicon has garnered and how Kunicon management has no intention on rectifying it). The fact that in another thread you don't seem to realize that yes, you SHOULD check the amv contest before it's displayed to the public shows how incompently hopeless the situation is.

Considering that not a single Kunicon thread on a-m-v.org has made Kunicon look anything <i>but</i> incompetent, you might as well just pack up now and look for brighter pastures.
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Postby madmallard » Wed Apr 13, 2005 1:01 am

something else is nagging me....


you might want to find out if they're going to try and sell dvds of the amv contest later, also....


...This was decided by manny I think because we plan on burning it all to a DVD and play everything off a dvd player.
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Postby Michieru » Wed Apr 13, 2005 1:18 am

dokool wrote:
Michieru wrote:
dokool wrote:
Michieru wrote:
dokool wrote:
Michieru wrote:I have no idea. This was decided by manny I think because we plan on burning it all to a DVD and play everything off a dvd player. Might be the software there using does not accept some other frame rates. I would see what I can do. If maybe you guys can just send me a raw source and I convert them using some quicktime tools I got here. I would get more information on this as soon as I come back from burning someone at the park who thinks he can run faster than me. So for now, CIAO! :D


This sounds like the blind leading the blind.
But at least one is leading the line.to have a good amv contest which would not be some type of crime. :wink:


Unless stupidity is a crime, considering you seem to be walking into the same brick wall that Manny walks into on a daily basis.
If you think I am going to mess up this upcoming AMV contest your wrong. I am not like Manny and if so point out how we are going to hit this so called brick wall.


You're basically making all these empty promises about how this contest will improve while ignoring the most commonly-made complaints (namely about the reputation that Kunicon has garnered and how Kunicon management has no intention on rectifying it). The fact that in another thread you don't seem to realize that yes, you SHOULD check the amv contest before it's displayed to the public shows how incompently hopeless the situation is.

Considering that not a single Kunicon thread on a-m-v.org has made Kunicon look anything <i>but</i> incompetent, you might as well just pack up now and look for brighter pastures.
I have no intension on saying thing's I cannot keep, the kunicon staff can be improved I am just awaiting manny's decision once this is done I know I would be there to fix these issues myself. So I can offer the best support I can to the fans at ATL. I am more mature than to say stuff I cannot keep or do, I know my limits and manny as well and I am sure hopeful he would not put me in a position where he has me do something which I have no knowledge of. I never said that this convention is going to be the best. But I know it's going to be the best one repaired and hopefully the one at denver would even have a more advanced than the one in ATL. I respect your opinions but you seem to take me as someone who makes false accusations and is looking to bribe members to submit there work to us so we can have something to show. If we do not get submissions that's fine we can try it next convention. A AMV contest is not the only thing a convention is about. But it does play a crucial role. What I do admit is that Kunicon started to big, a friend once told me that it's better to do something right than doing many things looking like crap. So my focus for Atlanta is the AMV contest, manny is focused on the cosplay. As for the other members I am sure is the rest of the convention so everyone is doing there part. Kunicon learned that from Miami so decided to fix this by making a smaller convention. I prefer to start off small then go big, kunicon failed to do this so that's why there stuck in this situation. Overworked staff, unreliable volunteers, and rushed layouts and bad solutions. This is what I saw and learned at the convention at Miami and I share my opinions and ideas to kunicon so they can improve. Well that's my 2 cents. But I would see to this first thing in the morning I have no intentions of keeping empty promises and I plan on giving a good AMV contest if there enough submissions. So like I said before a AMV contest is nothing without submissions. I would prefer if people hold there submissions until the end of the week till I can give everyone the green light to go ahead I plan on fixing the ftp server so that passive mode works and all you do is connect and upload. I would talk to manny one on one so moderators please do not erase this I want him to read it as well. As for you dokool I would prove to you how much effort I put into my work. I ran teams before and I am sure I can fix this one up. People who give up and tell how hopeless a situation is are people who give up easily and just follow the crowd. I am sure manny wants to run a great convention and I would help him achieve that. Even if it's just one person. Kunicon would become better each year if only they give some supporters a chance.
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Postby Michieru » Wed Apr 13, 2005 1:24 am

sixstop wrote:something else is nagging me....


you might want to find out if they're going to try and sell dvds of the amv contest later, also....


...This was decided by manny I think because we plan on burning it all to a DVD and play everything off a dvd player.
I seriously doubt that and if they do I would make sure everyone gets a share of those sales. Since that's defenitely something I would not support. Using someone elses work to make sales is something that's against the law anyway. Unless they have proper autherization for each submitter and that they signed a document allowing them too.
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Postby Scintilla » Wed Apr 13, 2005 1:33 am

Michieru wrote:
sixstop wrote:something else is nagging me....


you might want to find out if they're going to try and sell dvds of the amv contest later, also....


...This was decided by manny I think because we plan on burning it all to a DVD and play everything off a dvd player.
I seriously doubt that and if they do I would make sure everyone gets a share of those sales. Since that's defenitely something I would not support. Using someone elses work to make sales is something that's against the law anyway. Unless they have proper autherization for each submitter and that they signed a document allowing them too.

And of course, in this case, it's not legal even then.
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Postby ecamac01 » Wed Apr 13, 2005 11:26 am

no, we will never sell DVD's of the AMV contest...that is one illegal, and two wrong on pretty much all moral levels.

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Michieru is doing a good job, taking the bull by the horns. Dokool, I have told you before if you really have a problem and have a solution excellent. if you are simply flaming because you have no life, please continue. I am tired of being the nice guy and listening to you rant on about how bad we are. everyone makes mistakes and try to improve. If you are perfect then please by all means run your own convention. We will all go and it will be great. if you are human like the rest of us and make mistakes, then you will simply stop the flaming it is quite old.

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I read through all the posts, and thinking in retrospect, it would be a good thing to post max FPS's and resolutions - In general programs like Adobe Premiere, it does not process 24 FPS and it has to be changed with AVISynth to 24 FPS using:

Telecide()
Decimate(cycle=5)
AssumeFPS(24)

scripts so I naturally placed the minimum FPS for Mpeg2 as 23.97 since it is what would be used at the end result for 24 FPS on an Mpeg2 or even on HuffYUV projects. and these projects from rips are usually in 720x480.
Thats where those criteria come from. There is a typo on the site which says 24 for HuffYUV, I'll have juan our webmaster change that today.

what would you guys recommend to show as the minimum / maximums for FPS and resolutions?

but the codecs will remain, that was recommended by AWA staff and DrngzKreations awhile ago.
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Postby Michieru » Fri Apr 15, 2005 4:45 pm

We currently have 4 AMV's we need 16 more everyone
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Postby Scintilla » Fri Apr 15, 2005 4:48 pm

Be patient. Given that the deadline isn't until the 27th, you probably won't see most of the entries start coming in for another week or so.
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Postby trythil » Fri Apr 15, 2005 5:58 pm

ecamac01 wrote:End Rant

I read through all the posts, and thinking in retrospect, it would be a good thing to post max FPS's and resolutions - In general programs like Adobe Premiere, it does not process 24 FPS


Actually, it handles 24fps and 29.97fps just fine. Perhaps you're referring to 23.976fps?

scripts so I naturally placed the minimum FPS for Mpeg2 as 23.97


23.97fps isn't an NTSC or film framerate at all, though.

what would you guys recommend to show as the minimum / maximums for FPS and resolutions?


There is only one framerate/framesize standard that you should be adhering to at this point: 720x480, 72/79 (i.e. NTSC 4:3) pixel aspect ratio at 29.97fps, either interlaced or 29.97fps via the MPEG-2 3:2 pulldown flag. Nearly every video device in the United States can handle this.

There is no reason to attempt to handle, say, videos submitted in the PAL standard if you do not have prior experience with such video (and, to be frank, the rules don't make me think that anyone over there has had such experience). Just require one standard. It will make both your lives and your entrants' lives easier.
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