AnimeNext 2005 AMV Contest

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Postby dokool » Tue Mar 29, 2005 2:24 am

MeriC wrote:Our con's contest, our rules... that's really all there is to say about it. I'll be in touch with my contest co-coordinator in a few hours, and we'll discuss this matter further. However, I can almost guarantee that the end result will be a "no" on the Final Fantasy issue.



...wasn't the Judge's Choice award given to a Final Fantasy vid last year?
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Postby MeriC » Tue Mar 29, 2005 9:36 am

dokool wrote:
MeriC wrote:Our con's contest, our rules... that's really all there is to say about it. I'll be in touch with my contest co-coordinator in a few hours, and we'll discuss this matter further. However, I can almost guarantee that the end result will be a "no" on the Final Fantasy issue.



...wasn't the Judge's Choice award given to a Final Fantasy vid last year?


Yes, but that wasn't Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within. FF video game videos have long been acceptable in contests, but an American-made CG movie isn't the type of video we can accept in our contest.
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Postby AbsoluteDestiny » Tue Mar 29, 2005 1:47 pm

I don't think I could call Spirits Within american. The directors are Japanese, the writer is Japanese (with aid for the english dialogue), the cinematographer is Japanese, all the production managers are Japanese, it's a Japanese studio that built a production house in Hawaii. Sure there are American names on the art team but the key staff are Japanese.
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Postby Vlad G Pohnert » Tue Mar 29, 2005 2:21 pm

Last year I got a Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within video in Anime Evolution's contest and did consider it anime for the reasons AD pointed out... But that's me...

I understand there is a fine line in exact content for a "Anime" contest and it really is up to coordinators/conventions to spell them out... So as long as they are clear, then there should not be an issue and I really do not see a problem with it.

In the same respects, I could argue the same thing about the org's polices on what should and shouldn't be considered anime :wink:

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Postby VegettoEX » Tue Mar 29, 2005 8:01 pm

I'll do my best to try, as has been hinted at, to walk a fine line between explanation and "What's anime?" conversation.

For the purposes of the <B>AnimeNext AMV Contest</B>, which is what's being discussed here, <I>Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within</I> is not being considered "anime". There are a variety of supporting conversational standpoints for both "Yes, anime" and "No, not anime"... and that would be absolutely ridiculous to get into here (not solely because it's inappropriate, but because it's pointless).

If I were to edit an <I>Angel</I> music video, I would not become upset that I (and others who made <I>Angel</I> videos) could not submit to a strictly-<I>Buffy the Vampire Slayer</I> music video contest. Sure, they're both Joss Whedon shows that take place in the same <I>Buffyverse</I> and continuously cross-over and reference each other, but if the rules say something... thems be the rules, and that's how it goes. It's somewhat weird to argue against it simply for the sake of arguing; the contest coordinators are respecting your artwork by treating it with care and presenting it to a large audience, and all that's asked in return is a simple understanding and mutual respect for those rules put forth. It's a fantastic dynamic relationship! It's not like the contest isn't happening, entries are being lost, there's favoritism in entries, etc. etc. etc. :P.

I can understand questioning the reasoning behind rules and regulations (especially being an AMV editor before being a contest coordinator), but if there are rules, they're probably there for a reason. In this case, the AnimeNext AMV Contest gears itself towards using a more "traditional" sense of the word "anime" (combined with the allowance of in-game FMV from <B>video games</B> created in Japan originally and primarily for a Japanese audience); that's the AnimeNext contest, and it's part of what sets it apart from other conventions' contests.

We'll be the first to admit that AnimeNext does not hold the <B>OMG ONLY AMV CONTEST!!!</B> that you can submit to. There are plenty of others that may accommodate that type of video in a different way; not BETTER, but DIFFERENTLY. I'd be more than happy to suggest that said video may be submitted to <B><A HREF="http://www.otakon.com">Otakon's</a></B> fan-parody screening, or one of <B><A HREF="http://www.awa-con.com">Anime Weekend Atlanta's</A></B> several music video contests.

What's most amusing is that the conversation originator isn't the one taking issue and/or complaining :). Why there's even still thoughts going back and forth is beyond me, since it's been cleared up and answered long before I ever got the chance to respond. But eh, being the head coordinator I feel like I should say something ^_~.

If there are any <B>other</B> questions relating to AnimeNext's AMV contest this year, by all means, feel free to post or drop me a line at <B><A HREF="mailto:animenextamv@hotmail.com">animenextamv@hotmail.com</A></B>.
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Postby Quiet Cannon » Tue Mar 29, 2005 11:53 pm

Well, from the start, I wasn't trying to debate the issue to try to get by that rule. I was just expressing my disapointment, but acceptance that these are the rules for this contest. As for the other comments, it just seems to be taking the issue of if the movie should be considered anime, which I admit is somewhere in a grey area. Anyway, like I said, I do have another video I might possibly send in, so I'm not really bothered by the siuation. Sorry this thing ended up going somewhat off topic.
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Postby AbsoluteDestiny » Wed Mar 30, 2005 2:43 am

Why thoughts are going back and forth is easy. I can (as can everyone else) accept that the source is not allowed, I'm just trying to find out why this particular source (which is predominantly japanese animators using CG) is not allowed where another source like FLCL (japanese animators doing everything in CG) is not :)

I'm not criticising anyone for the decision, I was just debating to understand the reason for it and stating a case for the source incase it hadn't been considered. The reason "Just because" is fine :)
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Postby Knowname » Wed Mar 30, 2005 1:03 pm

er well, I'd like to say, I did post a different question here abd it got lost in the mix... Anyway my question was, my video has the intro words to my anime (you know, just the title) not technically the opening or ending credits just the title of the anime itself. I was wondering if that was considered credits.
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Postby VegettoEX » Thu Mar 31, 2005 10:16 pm

Knowname wrote:er well, I'd like to say, I did post a different question here abd it got lost in the mix... Anyway my question was, my video has the intro words to my anime (you know, just the title) not technically the opening or ending credits just the title of the anime itself. I was wondering if that was considered credits.

That should be OK; is it actually part of the video, though, or is it just the title of the anime...? Because all of our title cards list the editor, source footage, audio, etc... there's no point for anyone to introduce their source footage by ways of text or title screen in the video, itself :)
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Postby Knowname » Thu Apr 07, 2005 2:12 am

VegettoEX wrote:
Knowname wrote:er well, I'd like to say, I did post a different question here abd it got lost in the mix... Anyway my question was, my video has the intro words to my anime (you know, just the title) not technically the opening or ending credits just the title of the anime itself. I was wondering if that was considered credits.

That should be OK; is it actually part of the video, though, or is it just the title of the anime...? Because all of our title cards list the editor, source footage, audio, etc... there's no point for anyone to introduce their source footage by ways of text or title screen in the video, itself :)


yes, it is the title of the anime itself, not a title card wich is, what I think is, considered uncool, just the title of the anime. like if it was dbz, the dragon wraped around the words dragonball z or if it was read or die the papers and the words read or die, also it is part of the 5:05 video. I'll be checking this thread rather constantly over the next 5 days ;p thx for answering. (and ignore the sentance I edited out if you caught it lol, I thought the due date was the 15th)
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Postby Sephiroth » Fri Apr 08, 2005 2:45 am

It's also ironic that resident evil(the video game series) is considered a non anime source. Personally i allways viewed FF and resident evil as something for game music videos though if Final Fantasy is anime then logically resident evil is also anime.

My question is, if i subbmit a resident evil music video will it be disqualified?
This has no relevence to the discussion above it
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Postby VegettoEX » Wed Apr 20, 2005 3:37 pm

Just bumping to say that there is a single month remaining until the in-our-hands May 20th deadline for the contest :).

Full rules and submission form can be found over on the official AnimeNext website.

And remember, if you're working on any parodies/trailers, AnimeNext has a specific category for them, this year! We want your work! :D
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