Otakon 2004 AMV Contest Finalists

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Postby Vulkurt » Mon Aug 09, 2004 8:04 am

hackerzc wrote:Ok I found it, "The Boney King of Nowwhere" made by Chad Weber.


Again, sorry to bother anyone, but apparently Chad Weber is not an org member. He also did a great Mezzo Forte video to "Looks That Kill" by Motley Crue. I tried a search for him on Google, but didn't come up with anything much. Do any of you know if he goes by a studio name as well? Thank you.
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Postby Cyanna » Mon Aug 09, 2004 8:11 am

genestarwind21122 wrote:They did announce at the end of each contest that at the amv pannel they would be announcing the winners and you could see them ascept there awards. Also they played all the winners again at closing ceromonies. People just have to listen or ask questions at the con if they are truely interested.

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Yeah but you gotta admit it was really anticlimatic compared to last year. Part of the thrill is seeing the crowd go nuts after they view your vid....the other part is having the crowd go nuts when they saw it won. The change this year was a bit of a downer.

I had heard something about the Masquerade people and how they didn't want it at their halftime....but that was only something I heard. But if that really was the case....maybe the winners could be shown at the Saturday night fanparodies next time. A very good sized crowd comes to that and fan parodies and AMVs kinda go together.....in a number of cases you have the same people involved anyway. :)

Just a suggestion.
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Postby WalterScott » Mon Aug 09, 2004 8:15 am

hackerzc wrote:Ok I found it, "The Boney King of Nowwhere" made by Chad Weber.

Hmm, not on the org. I assume this is the same guy whose Mezzo Forte video was in the contest last year. (And that video was, as I remember, considerably more violent than the Nekojiro one.)
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Postby Senta » Mon Aug 09, 2004 11:07 am

genestarwind21122 wrote:They did announce at the end of each contest that at the amv pannel they would be announcing the winners and you could see them ascept there awards. Also they played all the winners again at closing ceromonies. People just have to listen or ask questions at the con if they are truely interested.

I didn't know they played the winners at the closing ceremony. I think Otakon could have done a better job of informing us. I wonder if they had even planned on showing the winners or if it was an impromptu decision.

I'm surprised and disappointed a contest the size of Otakon's doesn't have its own separate awards ceremony. AX, AWA, and even Nekocon have amv awards ceremonies in their main events room.
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Postby Ashyukun » Mon Aug 09, 2004 1:36 pm

Senta wrote:I'm surprised and disappointed a contest the size of Otakon's doesn't have its own separate awards ceremony. AX, AWA, and even Nekocon have amv awards ceremonies in their main events room.


Add ACen and Katsucon (at least when I was there in 2002- I assume it hasn't changed) to that list too. In fact, at Katsu that year the AMV Awards ceremony had more people attend it than the main panel from one of the founding members of Gainax. ACen's was fairly well attended despite being at a somewhat lousy time on Sunday, and last year (only one I can vouch for) AWA's was packed (no real surprise, given the AMV-centric nature of the con). It does seem somewhat surprising that the winners were only shown at the closing ceremonies and nowhere else. Last year's closing ceremonies were not attended very well- I'd guess this year's weren't an order of magnitude better. I had also heard there was some drama involving them not being shown at the Masq.- I'd love to hear exactly what happened there.

Re: the Cat Soup video.

I think completely omitting it from anything related to the contest (i.e., overflow tapes) was something that should not have happened. IMO, it should have been put on a tape that was scheduled to only be run late at night with a disclaimer about the content- this is what several other conventions do with questionable material. It was in no way, shape, or form proper to seemingly completely disown it from anything related to the contest- the editor took the time to make it and to send it in, it seems unfair for Geoff to have dropped it flat.
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Postby Scintilla » Mon Aug 09, 2004 3:11 pm

Ashyukun wrote:It does seem somewhat surprising that the winners were only shown at the closing ceremonies and nowhere else. Last year's closing ceremonies were not attended very well- I'd guess this year's weren't an order of magnitude better.

Well, they did manage to fill all of one panel room. :P

(We managed to get back there just in time to hear them announce the 20,000 attendance figure...)
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Postby dwchang » Mon Aug 09, 2004 3:16 pm

Senta wrote:
genestarwind21122 wrote:They did announce at the end of each contest that at the amv pannel they would be announcing the winners and you could see them ascept there awards. Also they played all the winners again at closing ceromonies. People just have to listen or ask questions at the con if they are truely interested.

I didn't know they played the winners at the closing ceremony. I think Otakon could have done a better job of informing us. I wonder if they had even planned on showing the winners or if it was an impromptu decision.

I'm surprised and disappointed a contest the size of Otakon's doesn't have its own separate awards ceremony. AX, AWA, and even Nekocon have amv awards ceremonies in their main events room.


I believe last year they had a "ceremony" at closing ceremonies. They announced the winners, showed their videos and gave the awards out to those in attendance. I liked that a lot more. Sure it wasn't that large of an audience, but it was just handled better and felt more special. Given, this is coming from the person who missed the thing at the panel :-/
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Postby Cybermat » Mon Aug 09, 2004 6:13 pm

Senta wrote:I'm surprised and disappointed a contest the size of Otakon's doesn't have its own separate awards ceremony.

We've handed out the AMV trophies and played the winners at the Closing Ceremony on Sunday for the last year or two. I've pushed for having an awards ceremony on Saturday night after the Cosplay is over, but there's never been a lot of enthusiasm among the rest of the staff for making it happen. The big problem (I think) is that since the Cosplay may run long, or it may end early, nobody can predict when an awards ceremony can safely be scheduled on Saturday night.

Ashyukun wrote:Re: the Cat Soup video. I think completely omitting it from anything related to the contest (i.e., overflow tapes) was something that should not have happened. IMO, it should have been put on a tape that was scheduled to only be run late at night with a disclaimer about the content- this is what several other conventions do with questionable material.

That's not a bad (or new) idea; I tried doing something like that in 2003.

However, the audience didn't seem overly impressed by the half-dozen videos in that screening (since most of the AMVs had been held out of the overflow for language and/or tastelessness, or non-anime content), and then the bulk of the feedback I got from the few people whose AMVs got relegated to the 'Omega' tape wasn't that they were grateful to be played -- it was that they felt being segregated out for a latenight showing was an insult, and that they didn't like the timeslot because it was too late, and that they didn't think their AMVs deserved to be disqualified in the first place, and all the usual bitter comments implying administrative bias, smallmindedness, hypocrisy, and sadism. On the whole, making up that extra tape was, in the end, extra work to accomplish something that didn't seem to make very many people very happy.

We've always specified in the contest rules that we do have practical limits as to what we feel we can safely show at the convention, and that if something falls outside our limits it there's the chance that can't be shown.
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Postby hackerzc » Mon Aug 09, 2004 6:46 pm

Vulkurt wrote:
hackerzc wrote:Ok I found it, "The Boney King of Nowwhere" made by Chad Weber.


Again, sorry to bother anyone, but apparently Chad Weber is not an org member. He also did a great Mezzo Forte video to "Looks That Kill" by Motley Crue. I tried a search for him on Google, but didn't come up with anything much. Do any of you know if he goes by a studio name as well? Thank you.


He wanted his name to be used as the credit, so I guess he does it like Vlad does.
I know The other video you are talking about though. Can't remember where I saw it however.
I really like the Beowolf, Mezzo vid myself.
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Postby hackerzc » Mon Aug 09, 2004 7:12 pm

Sorry for the DP, but there were some things I wanted to respond too.

Cyanna wrote:I had heard something about the Masquerade people and how they didn't want it at their halftime....but that was only something I heard.

Actually that's exactly what happened. The cosplay people said NO WAY. Never found out why though.

WalterScott wrote:Hmm, not on the org. I assume this is the same guy whose Mezzo Forte video was in the contest last year. (And that video was, as I remember, considerably more violent than the Nekojiro one.)


I don't know why it was considered to gory. I didn't have a problem with it, and was surprised when Geoff said not to include it in the overflows *shrugs*

[quote='Senta"]I didn't know they played the winners at the closing ceremony. I think Otakon could have done a better job of informing us. I wonder if they had even planned on showing the winners or if it was an impromptu decision.

II have a strange feeling it may have been a last minute thing... but I honestly don't know.
I was only told about winners being announced at the AMV Workshop.

Ashyukun wrote:Last year's closing ceremonies were not attended very well- I'd guess this year's weren't an order of magnitude better.

The room they used had about 150 seats I think. And there were people standing out into the hallway, so for the room they used, it was packed. However it was a pretty small space considering.

Ashyukun wrote: it should have been put on a tape that was scheduled to only be run late at night with a disclaimer about the content- this is what several other conventions do with questionable material. It was in no way, shape, or form proper to seemingly completely disown it from anything related to the contest- the editor took the time to make it and to send it in, it seems unfair for Geoff to have dropped it flat.

Really there is no difference between this vid not being shown and other vids that could not be shown because of subs or what not. Though I think the videos that have subs were shown in the overflows anyway (it was my understanding that showing subbed videos was a liability issue, and legaly we could not do it.... *shrug*). So in that respect it was unfair IMO.
But like Matt said above, making everyone happy is hard. Chances are if there was an "Omega" tape, people would be more upset because creators felt seperated from the rest of the submissions. Maybe in the end, this was the lesser of two evils.
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Postby Senta » Tue Aug 10, 2004 1:35 am

Ashyukun wrote:
Senta wrote:I'm surprised and disappointed a contest the size of Otakon's doesn't have its own separate awards ceremony. AX, AWA, and even Nekocon have amv awards ceremonies in their main events room.


Add ACen and Katsucon...

Err, I meant to say Katsucon instead of Nekocon. I often mix up the names since they both make me think of cats.
From what I remember, Nekocon hasn't had an AMV ceremony recently. They might have announced winners at the closing ceremony, but I rarely go to those.

On the last day of a con, I usually don't feel like hanging around till closing ceremony in the hope that they might play the amv winners. I'd rather see something like "Elitist AMV Awards Ceremony" on the schedule so that I know what I'm attending.
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Postby Vulkurt » Tue Aug 10, 2004 2:57 pm

Just out of curiosity, how many videos were DQed due to content? The reason why I'm asking is that I'm looking for a second video:

Title: Robotics
Footage: Robot Carnival
Audio: Brian May - Cyborg

...and I'm not finding it on the overflow list either. I don't recall anything really offensive on that one, given that it was largely about robots. Please advise.
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Postby hackerzc » Tue Aug 10, 2004 6:46 pm

Vulkurt wrote:Just out of curiosity, how many videos were DQed due to content? The reason why I'm asking is that I'm looking for a second video:

Title: Robotics
Footage: Robot Carnival
Audio: Brian May - Cyborg

...and I'm not finding it on the overflow list either. I don't recall anything really offensive on that one, given that it was largely about robots. Please advise.


Only the one as far as I know. And there was one person who asked for their AMV to be removed from the overflows (can't remember who though).
The Robotics AMV we never actually HAD a video for. Someone submitted a form, but we never got the video.

Stats:
-10 Submissions that either had no video or there was a problem with the video that never got resolved
-1 Video DQ'd for content
-1 Video removed from the overflows by the creators request
-18 submissions we had no submission forms for

If there was a problem and someone came to me with it I did everything I could to fix it.... for example someone sent in a non competing entry that Patrick could not play, so I ended up accepting the file, and it took 3 uploaded to the server before a version he could use was in the server.
Also I sent out numerous messages to people if I saw there was a problem, so there was plenty of opprotunity for anyone to fix any issue that came up (except for the DQ thing. I wasn't told about that till I was actually making the overflow lists).
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Postby Freako » Tue Aug 10, 2004 7:21 pm

I'm not thrilled with the way the AMV contest was handled in it's first year without Matt Pyson (the contest was perfect every year he was at the helm.)


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Postby MousePotato » Tue Aug 10, 2004 8:45 pm

Just so everyone knows, German 101 is now on the org.
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