Otakon 2004 AMV Contest Finalists

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Postby TnAdct1 » Mon Jul 26, 2004 9:46 pm

A few comments on new method of distribution of the AMV contest ballots:

-So, will someone will be passing out the ballots (and pencils) as people enter the room (and does this mean people will have to line up to get into the rooms that will be playing the contest)?

-Personally, this method is a mixed bag. On the plus side, it does ensure that people will be voting for the contest. On the negative side, I'm a type of person who a.) likes to have an idea of the videos that will be playing in the contest as soon as I get my registration kit and b.) likes to have a second ballot not as a way to sneak an extra vote (after all, I am honest and only vote once), but rather as a souvinier of that year's AMV contest (as well as something to keep track of the winning videos on).

Other than that, I'm looking forward to seeing this year's AMV contest.
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Postby Scintilla » Mon Jul 26, 2004 9:58 pm

TnAdct1 wrote:b.) likes to have a second ballot ... as a souvenir of that year's AMV contest (as well as something to keep track of the winning videos on).

YES. Can you make more ballots available, AFTER all the votes have been collected, for souvenir purposes? Please? :)
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Postby BogoSort » Mon Jul 26, 2004 10:01 pm

Scintilla wrote:YES. Can you make more ballots available, AFTER all the votes have been collected, for souvenir purposes? Please? :)


I've always managed to snag a couple of ballots every year after the votes have been collected. Typically the extras are placed on some random table around the registration line, or you could always ask the various Otakon infodesks for a ballot. Theoretically if one really wanted to cheat, they could keep asking there for ballots, but it's too much work really.
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Postby genestarwind21122 » Mon Jul 26, 2004 10:13 pm

Vlad G Pohnert wrote:Actually, I suggested to have then handed at the door, I think there will be a lot BIGGER return as I am sick of only 100 people or so voting for a winner... ALSO, my suggestion is that once the contest actually starts, you do not hand out any more ballots.. It's unfair at that point.. ALSO, if someone leave and drops the ballot off BEFORE the contests ends, DO NOT count it since that is unfair... That is how I did it at Animethon and I got a 50-60% Return

In terms of multiple voting, like Mike said, if you really want to cheat and "Stuff" the ballot box, you can just get several from your friends who don't care about voting... Frankly I think the mass of return votes will outwieght a few people from voting twice or so... And creators who cheat that way should not even bother showing thier faces!

PENCILS is also good, most of the time poeple do not have a pen handy and thus do not vote... JUST MAKE SURE to have someone at the door(s0 after collecting the ballots and pencils and you'll do fine....

ALSO, I was wondering if there will be any pre-seating for the finalists (or event entrants) in the contest on Firday night (the main showing).. I lot of cons do that (Including the two I run) and I always think of it as a fair exchange for creators who enter making it what the contest is in the first place...

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I agree with everything that Vlad said here. No matter if I did or didn't make the contest it would be a great experience for all the main event creators to sit together and be seated first.
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Postby aluminumstudios » Mon Jul 26, 2004 10:54 pm

Vlad G Pohnert wrote: ALSO, if someone leave and drops the ballot off BEFORE the contests ends, DO NOT count it since that is unfair...

Vlad


I don't know ... If someone sees a video they like and want to vote for it, I don't think they should have their vote invalidated for not sitting through the entire contest. Also, what about people who watch the first part of the contest at one time and the rest of it during one of the other showings?
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Postby ANTDrakko » Mon Jul 26, 2004 10:59 pm

Yes, I think that would be awesome, to have to finalists sit together. Think its possible to make that an official thing?
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Postby Scintilla » Mon Jul 26, 2004 11:11 pm

ANTDrakko wrote:Yes, I think that would be awesome, to have to finalists sit together. Think its possible to make that an official thing?

I'd prefer it to be unofficial. If it's made official and then Cyanna can't tag along, then I'm passing on it.
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Postby ANTDrakko » Mon Jul 26, 2004 11:13 pm

Scintilla wrote:
ANTDrakko wrote:Yes, I think that would be awesome, to have to finalists sit together. Think its possible to make that an official thing?

I'd prefer it to be unofficial. If it's made official and then Cyanna can't tag along, then I'm passing on it.


I don't mean only finalists, but like, they get seated first @ the front with their friends or something of that sort.
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Postby BogoSort » Mon Jul 26, 2004 11:13 pm

Scintilla wrote:
ANTDrakko wrote:Yes, I think that would be awesome, to have to finalists sit together. Think its possible to make that an official thing?

I'd prefer it to be unofficial. If it's made official and then Cyanna can't tag along, then I'm passing on it.


Typically said official amv creator seating at cons tend to be for said amv creator + 1 guest. So presumably as long as you didn't have someone that you'd prefer to have along more than Cyanna, then you should be allright.
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Postby Ashyukun » Mon Jul 26, 2004 11:29 pm

I didn't think there was any official seating at Otakon for this. A group of us staked out a place in the middle of the room behind tech last year and it worked out pretty well, but I don't remember there being any 'official' seating announced.
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Postby Vlad G Pohnert » Tue Jul 27, 2004 12:57 am

aluminumstudios wrote:
I don't know ... If someone sees a video they like and want to vote for it, I don't think they should have their vote invalidated for not sitting through the entire contest. Also, what about people who watch the first part of the contest at one time and the rest of it during one of the other showings?


Well, since the contest is shown multiple times, I suppose it could be a valid argument, but then again I see people who watch half a catagory and vote.. then of course they find out they liked something better after the fact... Think of being last in the category.. how fair is that :wink:

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Postby genestarwind21122 » Tue Jul 27, 2004 6:28 am

I have a great idea. Why not give everyone a sheet with the videos name on it. Not a voting ballot but just a sheet with titles. Then at the end of the showing have someone annouce if you got a title sheet in the beginning bring it up to the front for your voting card and turn in your voting card before you leave. So that way people can check off on the other sheet what they like and then just transfer it over to the voting ballot. Which eliminates the possibilites of someone who leaves early or if someone comes in way too late.
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Postby hackerzc » Tue Jul 27, 2004 6:36 am

dokidoki wrote:
hackerzc wrote:At a con were the name Westware can mingle in with Vlad Pohnert And DokiDoki..... nothing is for sure.

Yes, we Canadians are quite friendly. :)

Actually I have found this to be very true, no joke. All Canadians I know are really nice. And I'm talkign about more than just you and Vlad :)

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hackerzc wrote:Honestly I think it's up in the air, esspecially since Tim didn't do comedy this year (which was extreamly surprising to say the least).

Wanted a break...

Actually I can understand. My problem is when I take a break... I just don't make ANYTHING. What can I say? The idea of starting a new video, and thinking about all the time I'd have to put into it overwhelm me. That's why I've only made 3 in the past two years.

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hackerzc wrote:The main reason it's being done differently is to get more people voting.
If it does not work, then maybe do something different next year.

How about an applause meter? *ducks* :lol:

To be honest I really have no clue what to say to that. Didn't AX or someone do that? I would imagine it's not a very goot method to go by though. Oh well that's something to think about after the con anyway.

Vlad wrote:PENCILS is also good, most of the time poeple do not have a pen handy and thus do not vote... JUST MAKE SURE to have someone at the door(s0 after collecting the ballots and pencils and you'll do fine....

I just hope Geoff does not eat them.... or whatever it was that prevented him from giving me any of the pens we were using, for the last AMV prescreening in Baltimore. I'm pretty sure there was a guy in the back row stabbing his arm with a chopstick and trying to write with it.

Vlad wrote:ALSO, I was wondering if there will be any pre-seating for the finalists (or event entrants) in the contest on Firday night (the main showing).. I lot of cons do that (Including the two I run) and I always think of it as a fair exchange for creators who enter making it what the contest is in the first place...

As of this moment, no. I know nothing like that was ever planned, but if I bring it up with Geoff something should be able to be worked out.
Next year though I'll insist on this being one of the perks... assuming I'm involved in the contest at all.
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Postby hackerzc » Tue Jul 27, 2004 7:20 am

TnAdct1 wrote:A few comments on new method of distribution of the AMV contest ballots:

-So, will someone will be passing out the ballots (and pencils) as people enter the room (and does this mean people will have to line up to get into the rooms that will be playing the contest)?

-Personally, this method is a mixed bag. On the plus side, it does ensure that people will be voting for the contest. On the negative side, I'm a type of person who a.) likes to have an idea of the videos that will be playing in the contest as soon as I get my registration kit and b.) likes to have a second ballot not as a way to sneak an extra vote (after all, I am honest and only vote once), but rather as a souvinier of that year's AMV contest (as well as something to keep track of the winning videos on).

Other than that, I'm looking forward to seeing this year's AMV contest.

As far as I understand it, the rooms where the contest wil be held will be cleared prior to the screening. So Yes you will have to get in a line. As it stands you will be given a ballot as you enter the room.

As for wanting to know the videos once you get your reg bag, just be lucky the contest is not blind like the prescreenings were, lol.

What I just realized about the ballots being handed out at the door is that there are three contest showings. So in theory, if you wanted too, you could vote three times. Don't know about the rest of you, but that it a bit unsettling. Oh well.... the way ballots are done wasn't my decission, lol.

BogoSort wrote:I've always managed to snag a couple of ballots every year after the votes have been collected. Typically the extras are placed on some random table around the registration line, or you could always ask the various Otakon infodesks for a ballot. Theoretically if one really wanted to cheat, they could keep asking there for ballots, but it's too much work really.

Yeah, like I said, anyone who really wants to cheat will find a way.
There are ways to virtually eliminate cheating, but they are totally impractical. Cheating really isn't even an issue, so don't worry about it.

Scintilla wrote:I'd prefer it to be unofficial. If it's made official and then Cyanna can't tag along, then I'm passing on it.

It would be easy enough to extend it to a guest.
Infact there is enough room that all creators who submitted could be given priority seating prior the screening.
Infact I'm going to see about making this happen this year... I have a list of every creator who submitted by name. Would be easy enough for you guys to walk up, flash some ID and let you guys in.
Let me see what I can do...
I have to run this through Geoff first though. I don't see any reason what so ever why this can't be done.... at least for the BIG screening in Main Events. I'll let you know what he says.
(email sent... I'd call but his phone is out of service or something).

Man I love acting on stuff like this. I origionally was going to wait till next year to setup something , but it's too good an idea to just pass up. Especially since it's SO simple to carry out.

Ashyukun wrote:I didn't think there was any official seating at Otakon for this. A group of us staked out a place in the middle of the room behind tech last year and it worked out pretty well, but I don't remember there being any 'official' seating announced.

There isn't.... but that's not going to stop me from trying to do it for you guys now. I'm really dissapointed I didn't think of this earlier.
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Postby anneke » Tue Jul 27, 2004 11:09 am

One thing I saw at a recent convention that could be applied to an AMV contest. When someone hands in their ballot, simply use a hand hole punch, and thus put a hole in their badge. Quick and dirty and you know who has voted. Means that a person would have to actually get their friends to walk up with their ballots to turn them in. Down side is it would slow down the ballot collection process. And it can be a pain to punch a hole in the badges if they are to thick.

I highly aggree with making sure that people saw the entire contest/category before voting. Fanime suffered from this, this year. The videos shown later had more people watching them and thus a much better/higher chance of getting votes (not saying the results would have changed, I just have a feeling they would have). With Otakon's system of multiple showings it's harder to handle. I would personally put a note on the ballots that urges people to only vote on categorys they have seen all the videos of. And to also repeat this at the contest, to press on people how it's unfair to vote for one video without having seen the competition.

Often time I hear the excuse from people, well I know such and such combination is going to be bad so I didn't need to see the video. (rolls eyes). Or I don't like the anime or music a video is using so I don't need to see the video to know it's crap already (Rolls eyes again). Unless you see all the videos, you don't know how surprised you may be by something you didn't think you liked. (And thus the sign of a good AMV).

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