THE GREAT NOOB TOURNY OF 2004

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Postby J.Alana » Tue May 25, 2004 10:51 am

godix wrote:[I think you're missing the point. I'm not arguing because I think I should be allowed to enter, I'm arguing because I think I SHOULDN'T be allowed to enter and under your current rules I am. While I'm far from a pro I am not a newbie either and from what I can tell neither are most of the active members on the forums. There are VERY few people who fit all of your criteria and most of us who don't have no business entering a noob competition. Hell, as has already been pointed out, even Kevin Caldwell qualifies for this contest because he doesn't have an org login or his own homepage (or more than 10 videos that I know of, although I might be wrong on that one). I repeat, you desperately need to redefine your definition of 'pro'.


Okay let me explain something to you. If you are a Newbie AMV Creator, meaning you just started out wthin the past year then you are eligible.

The point of this contest is to make this something that can really showcase the talent of Newbie AMV Creators.

But here's the deal, if you think you can enter the contest. Try it. Worse thing is if we feel you are not a Newbie, we'll reject you. In response to your Kevin Caldwell remark, I don't think anyone would ever consider him to be a noob. He's far from that. But hey, if you want to try to enter the contest, Godix. Go ahead. I see that your recently joined the org about a month ago and you have no videos. However, I don't know that you haven't been on winmx or irc or kazaa somewhere for years before that. Before I joined a-m-v.org I made my presence known on Winmx, Kazaa and IRC. Then I found a-m-v.org and decided it would be a good idea. Do I consider myself a newbie? No. I would also not consdier someone a newbie who was on Kazaa two years ago and just joined the org. What we want to see are people who are just starting out. People who usually are pushed around or rejected because of their newbie status. These are the people that we want to give the chance to.

This contest is only for people who have making vids within the past year. They are new and therefore, eligible for entry.

If you are going to nitpick the rules to death. Then fine. That's your right. However, the point here is to see what Newbies are made of and if they can indeed make a video that is likened to a pro.

Since I am only an organizer and not a judge for this tourny, I can honestly say there are people that show tremendous potential for greatness.

Thats what my team wants to see. We don't want the typical "noob" attitude we want to see people who can really pull off fantastic videos.

Thats all.
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Postby TobinHood » Tue May 25, 2004 10:57 am

J.Alana wrote:But hey, if you want to try to enter the contest, Godix. Go ahead. I see that your recently joined the org about a month ago and you have no videos.


godix's sig wrote:Pimping my lastest Video: BOOBIES!


Underneath godix's avatar wrote:Joined: 03 Aug 2002


godix is a n00b who joined less than a month ago who has made no videos? Where did you get this information? Not from the page right in front of you I'm guessing :P
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Postby J.Alana » Tue May 25, 2004 11:00 am

Okay I stand corrected.

I take back that remark about Godix. I think I might have clicked the wrong profile and if I did that, I'm sorry.


But listen, the point here is give an opportunity to new amv creators.

This is what we want to do.
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Postby TobinHood » Tue May 25, 2004 11:11 am

J.Alana wrote:Okay I stand corrected.

I take back that remark about Godix. I think I might have clicked the wrong profile and if I did that, I'm sorry.


But listen, the point here is give an opportunity to new amv creators.

This is what we want to do.


New AMV creators have just as much of a chance in anything else as some of the older amv creators. In fact I've seen some newer people that have pulled off some very nice stuff that could compete in any major amv contest.

If most n00bs would stay away from the shitty cliche amvs and can showcase some skill they can make a name for themselves pretty quick.
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Postby OtakuForLife » Tue May 25, 2004 11:13 am

:roll: ... my god this contest blows
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Postby trythil » Tue May 25, 2004 11:19 am

This contest makes no sense. It feels like a product of bitterness, not some logically reasoned competition.

There is nothing related to recognition that prevents "newbies" from entering any other contest, save AWA Masters (but they're just a bunch of weirdos anyway :P )
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Postby trythil » Tue May 25, 2004 11:24 am

Ah yes, one last thing. A hypothetical case:

Let's say some omgwtf pro decides to make a new .org account. Given reasonable precautions (anonymized IP address, for instance) this person would have a fresh history.

Said person makes a video -- a really well-constructed video -- and enters it into your contest.

Will you accept it as an incredible first video, or will you reject it as the entry of a masquerading newbie?


I don't know what you'll choose, but you lose either way. Acceptance of the video implies that you failed to judiciously apply your criteria (as bad as they are); rejection of the video means that said "newbie" could rant about how you failed to judiciously apply your criteria. In both cases, you lose whatever credibility you have left.
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Postby OtakuForLife » Tue May 25, 2004 11:25 am

8) Pretty much what I had reasoned out
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Postby J.Alana » Tue May 25, 2004 11:26 am

[quote="TobinHood
New AMV creators have just as much of a chance in anything else as some of the older amv creators. In fact I've seen some newer people that have pulled off some very nice stuff that could compete in any major amv contest.

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I agree that is why we have made this contest. Its specifically for them.

Look, I don't want to make anyone mad or upset them in anyway. I'm not trying to be mean or single anyone out. The idea here is to see what new AMV creators can really do. I think they have a lot to teach and if we are willing to listen, we can learn from them.

If you don't like the contest, then DON'T ENTER. However, if you would like to enter, then please be all means do.
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Postby J.Alana » Tue May 25, 2004 11:36 am

Oh and just one last thing

This IS not a product of bitterness. This idea was developed to give new vid creators a chance to show what they are made of.

Why don't you see that??? Tell me why it is that you feel the need to put down the contest. Its to give new people a shot. I see so many new amv creators who are put down, simply for the fact that they are new. I think its terrible. Then I also see new amv creators emerge who think they are all that and a bag of chips and put down people with a lot of experience and know how.

This contest was developed so that new amv creators would be able to fight it out against their peers and really show what they can do.

That is the point!
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Postby trythil » Tue May 25, 2004 11:47 am

J.Alana wrote:Tell me why it is that you feel the need to put down the contest. Its to give new people a shot. I see so many new amv creators who are put down, simply for the fact that they are new. I think its terrible. Then I also see new amv creators emerge who think they are all that and a bag of chips and put down people with a lot of experience and know how.

This contest was developed so that new amv creators would be able to fight it out against their peers and really show what they can do.

That is the point!


And this is my point:

Your contest is pointless, and is doomed to fail.

I have addressed the latter claim already. As you have not rebuked it, I'll assume that the argument still stands.

Now, for the former.

It serves no purpose that cannot be fufilled by any other contest, online or otherwise. How do general-entry contests discriminate against newbies? Members of the AMV community do, but I have never seen such a case in which a contest that is open to any entrants has rejected an entry on the basis of "oh, this person isn't recognized as an AMV pro".

As you have not managed to convince me that your primary motivation is not bitterness, please outline, with specific examples, exactly how the majority of general-entry contests discriminate against those who are not recognized by the "AMV community".

How does this contest give newbies more recognition than any other contest? Your reasons so far have been nothing but empty hand-waving. I would think that a newbie would have much more to gain, and nothing more to lose, by entering a more prestigious, established contest such as Otakon's or AWA Pro / AWA Expo.
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Postby J.Alana » Tue May 25, 2004 11:54 am

Okay

Tell me why it is doomed to fail?
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Postby )v(ajin Koji » Tue May 25, 2004 12:00 pm

Because he say so. :roll:
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Postby trythil » Tue May 25, 2004 12:00 pm

J.Alana wrote:Okay

Tell me why it is doomed to fail?


I wrote:Ah yes, one last thing. A hypothetical case:

Let's say some omgwtf pro decides to make a new .org account. Given reasonable precautions (anonymized IP address, for instance) this person would have a fresh history.

Said person makes a video -- a really well-constructed video -- and enters it into your contest.

Will you accept it as an incredible first video, or will you reject it as the entry of a masquerading newbie?


I don't know what you'll choose, but you lose either way. Acceptance of the video implies that you failed to judiciously apply your criteria (as bad as they are); rejection of the video means that said "newbie" could rant about how you failed to judiciously apply your criteria. In both cases, you lose whatever credibility you have left.


A contest needs credibility to be a success.
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Postby SSj4MysTic-KaKarot420 » Tue May 25, 2004 12:04 pm

Your opinions are all welcomed however the point still stands, if you think its 'doomed to failure' good for you, if you think this contest sucks, even better for you, if however you think this contest is a chance for newbies to gain experince, and also make a name for themselves in this, then sign up, send down a vid and see what we say, flame us all you want as it wont change the fact that you forget its hard to get started...

Its not as simple as to 'stop making cliched vids' as they need somebody to tell them that. They need experince and this is a chance at that.

If you think this sucks then great, i really care ;)
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