My Open Letter to the a-m-v.org Community

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Postby Beowulf » Mon May 10, 2004 12:33 am

I say he be tared and feathered.
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Postby trythil » Mon May 10, 2004 12:34 am

A quick hint:

It's fine to disagree with CArnesen's request.

However, I don't think broken sentences, improper grammar and syntax, and puerile insults will get the point across.
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Postby Jebadia » Mon May 10, 2004 12:34 am

You know, if your gonna send Phade a message, he's probably gonna take a moment to laugh, for reasons already mentioned in previous posts.

I'm surprised that you..a member that has been around for about as long as I have, has yet to know better about the members of this site. Even NME has been around enough that I'm sure you've learned he goes on uber rants when he didn't like something. If a contest coordinater were to request a ban for everyone who bashed a con in this forum....well..son of a bitch, we got one hell of an inquisition going on then.

I'm almost certain this thread is worthy of the flame form.

As for forgiving him....most of this community doesn't really give a damn. That and you've just became his plaything for the next few days, or weeks if you want to persist with this practice of fascism (would that be an appropriate term?), to get NME banned, but hell if you want by all means entertain the masses.
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Re: My Open Letter to the the Org Community

Postby AMV_4000 » Mon May 10, 2004 12:36 am

CArnesen wrote:I would like to formally file a complaint and petition to permanently ban NME from both the the Org Forum along with the the Org website. As a volunteer for Sakura-Con I am extremely upset with the following comments. For any individual that puts 500+ hours into something that they believe to be professional and that it "raises the bar" for similar events to read this would be devastated. I would also like you to understand that regardless of the fact that this was an event I was coordinator of, I would bring this to your attention even if it referenced a completely different event with different people involved.

As a professional in the video production industry, I highly value the quality of my work, especially in regard to my reputation and believe that this is a horrible assault to the AMV industry as a whole. When it was asked of me in 2002 to do the job of AMV Coordinator for the 2003 convention, I was reluctant because of the time and dedication I would have to place into the event. I understood that I would be "starting from the beginning" with a contest at a convention that was going into its 6th year.

When it was asked if I would continue being the coordinator for the 2004 convention there was no hesitation in saying yes. I had to go the whole previous year starting from scratch to building a contest that would be presentable and was able to expand and make it much better. I received rave reviews in staff previews and was compared to the quality of contests like Anime Weekend Atlanta and Anime Expo. One individual even went as far to say that it looked like something they would see on MTV or TechTV, it had that level of quality.

To have my pride and sense of accomplishment completely abolished by the statements of NME goes to show the level of irresponsibility and lack of maturity that he has. I will be forwarding these comments along to the Sakura-Con Executive Board, ANCEA Executive Board, and the the Org domain owner, Kris McCormic (5800 Quantrell Ave. #1617, Alexandria, VA 22312 - (703) 566-8528).

The only comment to NME I have is that I will, one day, forgive you for the statement you've made, but I can't speak on behalf of fellow AMV contest coordinators, anime convention staff members, AMV creators, or the most important people to both you and me: the fans.

Source: http://www.animemusicvideos.org/phpBB/v ... hp?t=33157

NME wrote:Well.

The contest blew. Plain and simple. Instead of getting someone partially competant to run the contest, they get Mr. Arnesen. I don't give a shit if this will be seen as a flame on my part, but seriously, from the entry nightmares (lack of FTP, numbering system required to enter) to the playback problems during the contest (LOL GUYZ LETS AUTHOR THE CONTEST ONTO DVD-R AND PLAY IT ON A PLAYER THAT CAN'T PLAY DVD-R WELL!!!!!111, which caused sync errors and even skipping in the audio on most of the videos), the contest was awful. I seriously can't understand why someone who runs such a bad contest is allowed to year after year. Last year's sucked too.

What the hell is wrong with the staff? With the exception of one or two people (the dude in The Wired who let us transfer the videos and Dinger) the whole con staff was awful. The surly guy running the AMV projector in The Wired who kept telling me that "MP3 boosts the bass" and that it's only good for "techno remixes of classical songs" and that "AC3 is the best distribution audio format because it is a set hardware format (don't get me started on this one)" and also that "all MPEG videos have low audio levels that need to be turned up because of the source loudness problems made by MP2 compression" was just fucking hilarious, and mostly proves that much of the tech staff has no idea what they're doing. Keep in mind that this was all because he wouldn't turn the audio up. Surly motherfucker.

Arnesen if you read this here, or on the SC message boards, get serious about this shit or don't do it at all.


i personally think NME should stay, and on a second note, stating ones opinion in a forum asside from this one is not what i would think to be banning worth, i mean i talk shit on the chat, it dosent mean i should get banned... also, maby the contest did blow... i noticed a LOT of people pissed off by it... *i was told i could enter an XviD file into the contest, and yet i was told they couldnt play mine cause of shitty encoding* if i were running a contest NO video would go unwatched! back to topic... maby it was a bad contest, just take what he said into consideration for next year.. it could have been much worse... atleast your con didnt catch fire at 2 AM... even if what he said is wrong, you wont get many if ANY people to sign something saying NME should be banned... you control your own forum, let the mods here control this one!
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Postby Khameleon808 » Mon May 10, 2004 12:42 am

NOW WHAT YOU GOT TO SAY ABOUT IT?
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Postby You choose Sam,the rest » Mon May 10, 2004 1:45 am

Beowulf wrote:What I want to know: Is what NME said true?

If someone did that to my video and then was surly about it, I'd get physical.

But we'll never know what really happend. :x


What NME said is 100% true. Take it from a guy who attended the con and who hasn't bothered with the org in a long time. That's when you know NME isn't lying.
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Postby TaranT » Mon May 10, 2004 2:22 am

trythil wrote:A quick hint:

It's fine to disagree with CArnesen's request.

However, I don't think broken sentences, improper grammar and syntax, and puerile insults will get the point across.

Seconded.

I missed the contest so I am not going to get between NME and CArnesen on this one. I will point out that there is a (very) long review of Sakura-Con vids on the mailing list and there is no mention of exhibition problems.

I'm not surprised that CArnesen is upset. And I've been here long enough that I'm not surprised to see NME off on a rant. I am disappointed that at least some of NME's comments have remained in sight and un-mod'ed. This whole thread might have been avoided except for that oversight - if that's what it was.

I'm not going to dignify those comments with re-quotes; the subject thread is still there for all to see (page 2). I suppose I can quote this, however:

phade wrote:The AnimeMusicVideos.org Code of Ethics:

Thou shalt be courteous at all times including visiting conventions, forum posts, opinions given, and opinions received. Respect other's judgment though you may disagree with it. If you have nothing good to say, don't say anything at all.
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The forum-specific rules:
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The forum will not be used for any kind of personal attacks.

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Postby AbsoluteDestiny » Mon May 10, 2004 3:51 am

animemusicvideos.org will not ban members because of other members hurt pride.

I'm sorry, but despite the agressiveness of NME's comment it is his right to complain about what he perceived to be a substandard job on the technical side of the contest. If the SakuraCon administration cannot accept criticism and learn from it then that is not a problem worthy of the concern of the moderators and admins of this site.

Asking for a ban for this is frankly ludicrous. A warning for offensiveness perhaps but any "personal attacks" made were on people's ability to do their job and this is a criticism that any "professional" should be willing to take.
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Postby Mroni » Mon May 10, 2004 5:08 am

You choose Sam,the rest wrote:
Beowulf wrote:What I want to know: Is what NME said true?

If someone did that to my video and then was surly about it, I'd get physical.

But we'll never know what really happend. :x


What NME said is 100% true. Take it from a guy who attended the con and who hasn't bothered with the org in a long time. That's when you know NME isn't lying.




Dude don't worry about this shit and make some more videos.



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Postby Mroni » Mon May 10, 2004 5:10 am

I would like to interject on NMEs behalf her because NME is wackable and this carnasen guy is not. Also this dosent sound half as bad as the morons at Katsucon this year who hadn't figured any of their panelist would need a Vcr.


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Postby qazyseult » Mon May 10, 2004 1:01 pm

Being offended once in a while is a small price to pay for the freedom of speach. If you run the contest again, just remember his comments in case he submits something next year. :twisted:
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Postby Vlad G Pohnert » Mon May 10, 2004 1:42 pm

I have to agree with Aboslute Destiny on this one.... The outcry for banning someone outright on the org for the issue at hand is ludicrous.

I know some of the things may of sounded harsh that NME said and it is not by far the best or the most diplomatic or best way of presenting the issues.

I'm also pretty sure that Chris did the best job he could and there was no intention from his side to have any problems. But we are all human and things do happen. I'm a bit suprised though about how harsh Chris' public post is (Issues so delicate as Chris does belive they are, should be discussed in private IMO).

As an AMV contest organzier myself, even the best intentions will get some times get harsh critisms from someone. For example, last year in one of the contests I ran, someone got very mad and rather "verbaly" upset over the fact that DiviX was not listed as a submission codec and thus blaimed that on not getting into the contest :?

Now as a creator myself, I also realize that contestants do spent a lot of work on thier creations and thus issues that effect thier work being shown may cuase fustration and venting from thier end....

In a perfect world, it would be great if contestants and organizers got along all the time and understood issues and problems that arise. But this wil not be the case at all times and in the end no matter how unfair it may seem, I still think it's up to the Organizer to be as diplomatic about such issues as possible in public since it reflects on the contrst and organization a lot more....

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Postby OtakuForLife » Mon May 10, 2004 1:50 pm

NME is always like that he curses left and right , ether learn
to deal with like I have. After he ripped my Run Asuka Run video apart
the "booing" from a DDR machine or don't play. Probally going to make
anthor video that will be torn apart very shortly :)
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Postby SnhKnives » Mon May 10, 2004 1:59 pm

i read this last night, around 12 or something........and like.... there were already a few post saying.....well basically the same thing. you know about how everyone is entitled to their opinion. So i figured i didnt need to re-iterate what had already been said....



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Postby TobinHood » Mon May 10, 2004 2:07 pm

Beowulf wrote:If someone did that to my video and then was surly about it, I'd get physical.


Physical, physical. I wanna get Physical, let's get into physical.

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