Questions on the JACON 2004 AMV Contest.

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Questions on the JACON 2004 AMV Contest.

Postby Snackpants » Mon Jan 19, 2004 12:08 am

There have been a few questions circulating... and Normally I dont worry about the JACON contest until after MegaCon... but figured I would answer the most important questions I hear.

1.) You will need to have purchased a membership to JACON 2004 to compete. You do not need to be present to win, but you must have purchased a membership.

2.) Each contestant will be allowed to enter 2 videos.

3.) All videos entered may not have competed in a previous AMV Contest.

4.) Only digital submissions will be accepted again.

If you have any pre-lim questions prior to the official posting of the rules, feel free to mail me at joeysnackpants@hotmail.com or guests@jacon.org

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Re: Questions on the JACON 2004 AMV Contest.

Postby dokool » Mon Jan 19, 2004 8:57 pm

Snackpants wrote:1.) You will need to have purchased a membership to JACON 2004 to compete. You do not need to be present to win, but you must have purchased a membership.


Is this the first year that JACON is doing this? I know that requiring entrants in the contest to register was tossed around on some threads as a solution to trolling, but I'm curious as to whether or not this is the first time this has been implimented...

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Re: Questions on the JACON 2004 AMV Contest.

Postby Snackpants » Mon Jan 19, 2004 10:31 pm

dokool wrote:
Snackpants wrote:1.) You will need to have purchased a membership to JACON 2004 to compete. You do not need to be present to win, but you must have purchased a membership.


Is this the first year that JACON is doing this? I know that requiring entrants in the contest to register was tossed around on some threads as a solution to trolling, but I'm curious as to whether or not this is the first time this has been implimented...

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Postby Marlex » Mon Apr 26, 2004 9:00 pm

I got sidetracked with a lot of things, and I just went to check on Jacon's website and it says Pre-Registration is over. Am I barred from entering the contest?
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Postby Vlad G Pohnert » Mon Apr 26, 2004 10:32 pm

If we already submitted, will there be verification sent?

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Re: Questions on the JACON 2004 AMV Contest.

Postby Machine » Tue Apr 27, 2004 12:04 pm

Snackpants wrote:1.) You will need to have purchased a membership to JACON 2004 to compete. You do not need to be present to win, but you must have purchased a membership.


Here's a better Idea Joey, why don't you just go ahead and given Jacon an official Entry Fee since that's basically what you're doing.

Need not present to win and yet we have to buy memberships to compete?

I think JACON is the only con that actually has this type of policy and personally I believe is a load of crap for several reaons (which I will list if you want to debate about it).

Either that or Jacon must really be heavy in debt for you to have this entry fee policy two years in a row.
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Postby Dannywilson » Tue Apr 27, 2004 6:27 pm

Oi, can we get a ftp location or rules? I want to submit, but with the Sakuracon happenings, I didn't get the vids mailed, and I was hoping i could submit this week.
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Postby Marlex » Tue Apr 27, 2004 10:34 pm

E-mail Snackpants... go to the Jacon link in his original post and read the AMV contest rules. It's all there. The upload deadline is the 30th.
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Postby Machine » Tue Apr 27, 2004 11:58 pm

Dannywilson wrote:Oi, can we get a ftp location or rules? I want to submit, but with the Sakuracon happenings, I didn't get the vids mailed, and I was hoping i could submit this week.


Don't forget to pay the entry fee of $20 :P
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Postby Kwasek » Wed Apr 28, 2004 12:24 am

Let me try to put my grasp of things with reasons to make you purchase a membership. I believe they want people that enter to be present at the con, because nothing sucks more than to see a video win and the editor not be there. So basically if that's the contest you want to run, required attendence, then people would be purchasing a membership anyway.


Now lets say Vlad plans on going, and enters a video. Last minute hoopla comes up and Vlad can't make it. However he wins a category in the contest, being prejudged. Now everyone that came might complain that he shouldn't win because it's required attendance. If he preordered his membership then we know for sure that he had intentions of coming to the con, and wasn't just entering his video into the contest for public distribution.

I don't see how Ken could further amend the entry rules to make it that only people attending the con can enter. Especially if the outcome of the contest is determined before the con even starts.

If you don't like it, take your videos to some other con, one that could possibly use them even. If you're not attending a con then I don't think you should enter.

I still think it's best to only enter to cons you attend.
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Postby Vlad G Pohnert » Wed Apr 28, 2004 12:51 am

Kwasek wrote:Now lets say Vlad plans on going, and enters a video. Last minute hoopla comes up and Vlad can't make it. However he wins a category in the contest, being prejudged. Now everyone that came might complain that he shouldn't win because it's required attendance. If he preordered his membership then we know for sure that he had intentions of coming to the con, and wasn't just entering his video into the contest for public distribution.


Me not come :shock: ... Naaa, Ian would kill me for sure...

Kwasek wrote:If you don't like it, take your videos to some other con, one that could possibly use them even. If you're not attending a con then I don't think you should enter.

I still think it's best to only enter to cons you attend.


Well, this is the part I can't agree with you... For some people it is impossible to come or they do not have the money to travel that far and I think it's unfair to say they have to be there just to enter a contest. Yea, I come to as many as I can that I enter, but not all of them. Coming from Canada costs a LOT of money, so I can sympathize with people who wish they could but still want their videos shown... Frankly I see nothing wrong with that. Why punish a good piece of work just because the creator lives on the other side of the world and can't come....

On the other hand, Conventions are entitled to stipulate the rules the way they want them. If most people agree there is no problem, if they don't, then they don't have to send it in...

Basically, it's a free "Continent" and both the con and the contestant are entitled to their opinions... :wink:

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Postby Jimmyen » Wed Apr 28, 2004 3:49 am

I don't see the point in entering a contest if you don't plan to be there to see your video played.
Furthermore, I like that Jacon basically stipulates that creators ought to try to be in attendance. It makes things more fun to be in the audience WITH your peers.

AMV Editors get far too high and mighty about their position in the world.

There are all manner of cons running all around the continent and even around the world. It isn't that hard or exceedingly expensive to make it to one or two of them. I don't actually see why you'd want to be at more. Frickin' tiring.

Frankly, I hate seeing the same videos at cons over and over, as well. If everyone only submitted to the cons they attended, there'd be an awful lot more diversity among the entrants. The lesser known editors (whom I'm to assume all this hullaballoo is on behalf of, since it's not as though Vlad or Machine or DannyWilson et al are in any particular way unknown) would likely fare a lot better if videos that have already been shown at so many cons weren't there to occupy screen time.
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Postby Corran » Wed Apr 28, 2004 5:34 am

Vlad G Pohnert wrote:For some people it is impossible to come or they do not have the money to travel that far and I think it's unfair to say they have to be there just to enter a contest.


Remember, not everyone has the free time. It is hard for people to attend those things when:

They have no means of personal conveyance.
Their parents won't take them.
They have military or other obligations.
No con for several hundred miles... yes these places exist.

When I was joining the military I hoped to get a video finished before leaving and submitting it to a con. I would have loved to go but I doubt the TI's in Basic Training would let me. :P


Most enter contests not only to win but to have their work publically displayed. I'm sure everyone(well almost everyone) that submits a video would love to personally be there to see it get played on the big screen.

Still, if they are on there own without obligations then paying a bunch of money:
to travel to a city in another state
a hotel room
and entry fees
is quite a lot for the a 4 minute experience if that is all they would look forward to.
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Postby Bote » Wed Apr 28, 2004 7:44 am

Vlad G Pohnert wrote:
Coming from Canada costs a LOT of money, so I can sympathize with people who wish they could but still want their videos shown... Frankly I see nothing wrong with that. Why punish a good piece of work just because the creator lives on the other side of the world and can't come....



Quite true. I want to enter some of the other cons. that'll take place in July or August since I reckon I'll finish by then, but paying 400-500 euros for plane ticket? You ain't gonna see me dew that :P. Peh, costs quite a lot when you live in Europe and want to come to US. Not to mention other expences. It's like a 3 week summer holiday in Greece, only I'd rather pay for swimming in Aegean sea:wink: .
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Postby paizuri » Wed Apr 28, 2004 7:45 am

Why is this coming up now? These are the same rules as last year's and people didn't seem to bat an eye. There are no global rules for AMV contests. The contest coordinator lays down the rules and people follow them. If you don't, your video is disqualified. End of story.

There are much smaller cons that are always dying for videos. Just send to one of them. Hell, JACON isn't even the only con in Florida if you're worried about all of those anime fans down there who are being deprived the pleasure of seeing your video.
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