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Re: Interesting Contest Idea

Postby mexicanjunior » Wed Sep 17, 2003 6:52 pm

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Re: Interesting Contest Idea

Postby Scintilla » Wed Sep 17, 2003 7:58 pm

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trythil wrote:The software you use really shouldn't have any bearing on the quality of what you produce. All this would do is reinforce a myth that you need expensive software to do good things.

I'm kind of sick of hearing that argument. People have this false delusion that having this magical expensive program will automatically make good videos. As I said in the other thread:

It's the editor, not the software that makes a video.

That may be true, but you can't deny that there are some things you can do with, for instance, Premiere, that you just can't do with WMM.
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Re: Interesting Contest Idea

Postby mexicanjunior » Wed Sep 17, 2003 8:04 pm

Scintilla wrote:That may be true, but you can't deny that there are some things you can do with, for instance, Premiere, that you just can't do with WMM.


True...but being able to do those extra things doesn't mean you can't make a good video with WMM. :|
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Re: Interesting Contest Idea

Postby dwchang » Wed Sep 17, 2003 11:46 pm

mexicanjunior wrote:
Scintilla wrote:That may be true, but you can't deny that there are some things you can do with, for instance, Premiere, that you just can't do with WMM.


True...but being able to do those extra things doesn't mean you can't make a good video with WMM. :|


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Again, I have seen good videos made with WMM. Sure Premiere can make uber-l337 lens flares and piano keys, but oh well. WMM has the ability to do cross-dissolves and straight cuts and I am a firm believer that you can make a good video with just these simple things.

Hell back in the VHS days, they *had* to make videos with limited capabilities and guess what? They made good videos. Big Big Truck's "Crazy Ass Violence" was made with two VCRs (given fairly good ones and some extra technology).

The argument still stands...
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Re: Interesting Contest Idea

Postby TaranT » Wed Sep 17, 2003 11:51 pm

Suzuki_Akira wrote:What if there was a contest using only WIndows Movie Maker? It would level the playing field for software challenged designers like me, and would be interesting to see what experts like you guys here could do with such primitive software.

Looks like you kicked up a lot of dust with your first (?) post :o. As the others have pointed out, the software isn't the main issue. However, it would be possible to level the field by setting the contest rules to accomodate the lowest common denominator. For example:

* use any software package you want
* edit with unchanged footage (no effects of any kind)
* no overlays, no motion, no zooms, etc.
* transition with cuts, fades & cross-dissolves only
* etc.

I think this is closer to what you were suggesting. But it still doesn't level the field vis-a-vis experience, skill and talent. Beginners are handicapped no matter what the tools are.
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Postby Suzuki_Akira » Thu Sep 18, 2003 6:06 am

That's true. Beginners ARE handicapped. The point was, however, to let them be handicapped ONLY in experience. That was what I meant by interesting. I used WIndows Movie Maker as an example because it is one of the limiting programs I could think of, since I own it. I upgraded it to WMM2, and that helps some. The added some nice transitions, but I want flash effects and clip overlays, and it bothers me that I can't do it on WMM. I like debates, and we've got one right here. I think the
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Postby Suzuki_Akira » Fri Sep 19, 2003 6:40 am

No more opinions on this? It was getting good...
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Postby dwchang » Fri Sep 19, 2003 1:10 pm

Suzuki_Akira wrote:No more opinions on this? It was getting good...


To be honest, I think we already covered most of it up and for the most part agreed on the software issue..i.e there isn't an issue and if the editor is capable, they can make something good.
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Re: Interesting Contest Idea

Postby SarahtheBoring » Fri Sep 19, 2003 3:17 pm

Yeah, but I think this (below) would make an interesting contest anyway. It's not about newbieism - newbies are always going to have a learning curve, that's just something we all have to go through. (I'm going through it right now. Watch me! :P)


TaranT wrote:Looks like you kicked up a lot of dust with your first (?) post :o. As the others have pointed out, the software isn't the main issue. However, it would be possible to level the field by setting the contest rules to accomodate the lowest common denominator. For example:

* use any software package you want
* edit with unchanged footage (no effects of any kind)
* no overlays, no motion, no zooms, etc.
* transition with cuts, fades & cross-dissolves only
* etc.

I think this is closer to what you were suggesting. But it still doesn't level the field vis-a-vis experience, skill and talent. Beginners are handicapped no matter what the tools are.


I think it would just be an interesting contest, even if it's not some kind of playing-field-leveling thing. Just because it's something different. :) I like retro vids.
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Re: Interesting Contest Idea

Postby Dannywilson » Fri Sep 19, 2003 3:30 pm

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