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Postby Castor Troy » Sun Jun 29, 2003 11:34 pm

Hitori wrote:I know mine didn't make the cut... :cry:


I don't have a bad feeling about Otakon since I had a bad feeling about AX and my premoniton came true *shakes fist at AX*. :evil:
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Postby Jebadia » Sun Jun 29, 2003 11:39 pm

dokool wrote:Fire. Fire. Fire. That sounds familiar.

There was ONE Eva video that I want to contact the creator on. Matt, maybe you can PM me the guy's contact info when you see this? The Eva vid in tape 6, I think it was...


Don't you mean "Hey Hey Hey!"?
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Postby dokool » Sun Jun 29, 2003 11:55 pm

Jebadia wrote:
dokool wrote:Fire. Fire. Fire. That sounds familiar.

There was ONE Eva video that I want to contact the creator on. Matt, maybe you can PM me the guy's contact info when you see this? The Eva vid in tape 6, I think it was...


Don't you mean "Hey Hey Hey!"?



A vid on the tape we watched used Fire too. After DLing yours, I can definately see that yours was not the one we watched, and I hope to see yours in August =)
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Postby Vulkurt » Mon Jun 30, 2003 5:22 am

The Scooter "Fire" Eva video was on tape #2 (#21), which we saw the first week at TAS. Good stuff. One of two good Eva videos out of the many. I take dokool's point, the VHD:B, Kenshin, Eva, and to a certain extent Ah! My Goddess! started to get really repetitive after a while. People that took a different approach, say, not rehashing plot lines, got my attention. But after a while, all the VHD:B looked like the same exact footage, just done to different music. That was what was so great about "The Most Important Anime Music Video...Ever." :D
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Postby Tab. » Mon Jun 30, 2003 5:38 am

We talking about the KOP where there's that big ass mall? :|
Cuz I live... real close.
I wasnt invited
fuck you guys :cry:
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Postby dokool » Mon Jun 30, 2003 7:41 am

Tab. wrote:We talking about the KOP where there's that big ass mall? :|
Cuz I live... real close.
I wasnt invited
fuck you guys :cry:



I believe the general info was posted to the 'Org. If you entered a video into Otakon and checked the box asking to be contacted about prescreenings, you would have gotten an email too.

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Postby Tab. » Mon Jun 30, 2003 7:49 am

I believe the general info was posted to the 'Org.

ah... so it is. Oh well :\
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Postby VicBond007 » Mon Jun 30, 2003 9:17 am

*removes pens from eye sockets*

Is it over yet!?
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Postby Cybermat » Mon Jun 30, 2003 9:17 am

Tab. wrote:We talking about the KOP where there's that big ass mall? :|
Cuz I live... real close. I wasnt invited. fuck you guys :cry:


The prescreenings were open to three groups of people: Otakon AMV Submitters, Members of the fan club hosting the screenings, and Otakon Staffers.

Which group were you in? Everyone in those three groups was notified by e-mail (several times) about the pre-screenings.
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Postby Tab. » Mon Jun 30, 2003 9:52 am

:|
nevermind :?
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Postby Ashyukun » Mon Jun 30, 2003 9:53 am

The KoP prescreening was definitely interesting... I think Brian's "Evangelion Muppet Show Bumper" quickly became the 'mascot AMV' of the prescreening. There were definitely some doozeys, as well as some excellent vids I'd not seen before.

Encoding and capture were definitely two of the most common problems with the videos. On at least one or two we saw a few frames of the editor's desktop because they hadn't put blank space on the videos to give them time to stop the VCR before the video ended and their media player went from full-screen to windowed. We frame-advanced back to look at the desktop on at least one of these.. "Aw man, DivX player..." "Look! AOL! That explains a bit..."

A few other things.... Subtitles. We all love them (well, most of us). But, as has been discussed many times, they just don't belong in AMVs. I'm not talking about subtitled translations of the song being sung (which several videos incorporated), that's part of the video and just fine. But subtitles to the series, when the lines aren't part of what's central to the video (must make this disclaimer because I have seen some videos that have used the original dialog and subbed it because it was important to the plot of the video), they're just distracting. Plus- more importantly here- the Otakon rules expressly say "Thou Shalt Not Have Commercial/Fansub Subtitles" (well, OK, I'm making that more grandiose...). It doesn't take that much work to lose the subtitles. Easiest solution- use clean source. Preferrably commercially released, as it supports those who make the anime and allows them to make more. If this just isn't possible and you have to use something subtitled (be it commercially subbed tapes or fansubs of something unreleased), either a) make an effort to edit around the subtitles, b) edit them out (time consuming and may not work well on some lower quality footage), or c) zoom or letterbox to get rid of them. I personally would prefer to see someone even use letterboxes that pop up and down (like we had to do on my early videos- see Love is on the Way if you don't know what I mean) to footage that still had subs in it.

Lastly- from the Otakon contest rules-

05. No Objectionable Content
Content of videos must be suitable for viewing by our under-21 members (or worse, their parents). We may have problems with songs that are too explicit for radio airplay, or footage that is too extreme for general broadcast.


If two versions of a song exist- an uncensored version and a radio edit, which do you think you should use? Sure- in many cases the uncensored version is funnier or more amusing... but with this rule, it's likely to get you DQ'd. This does vary from con-to-con.... for example, AWA doesn't have any problems with it from what the rules say, though the video may be limited to being shown later at night. But, when there is expressly a rule against it- use the radio edit. Or simply put in your own *BLEEEEP*s over the likely objectionable content. If it's a comedy video, odds are they'll get laughs on their own. In some cases, the radio edits are simpy the normal version with the objectionable contest silenced out, and you can just interchange the audio and have both uncensored and sanitized copies of the video available.

The three tapes we watched definitely had a variety of content, both in quality and in the content of the videos.

Ironically, even with as hard to watch as some of the videos were (Get it away! Bad! Boo! BOOOO! *see video linked at top of post*), the prescreenings were far less annoying than the 150 mile drive home afterwards that ended up taking nearly 6 hours....
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Postby hackerzc » Mon Jun 30, 2003 12:33 pm

Ashyukun wrote:The KoP prescreening was definitely interesting... I think Brian's "Evangelion Muppet Show Bumper" quickly became the 'mascot AMV' of the prescreening. There were definitely some doozeys, as well as some excellent vids I'd not seen before.

Encoding and capture were definitely two of the most common problems with the videos. On at least one or two we saw a few frames of the editor's desktop because they hadn't put blank space on the videos to give them time to stop the VCR before the video ended and their media player went from full-screen to windowed. We frame-advanced back to look at the desktop on at least one of these.. "Aw man, DivX player..." "Look! AOL! That explains a bit..."

A few other things.... Subtitles. We all love them (well, most of us). But, as has been discussed many times, they just don't belong in AMVs. I'm not talking about subtitled translations of the song being sung (which several videos incorporated), that's part of the video and just fine. But subtitles to the series, when the lines aren't part of what's central to the video (must make this disclaimer because I have seen some videos that have used the original dialog and subbed it because it was important to the plot of the video), they're just distracting. Plus- more importantly here- the Otakon rules expressly say "Thou Shalt Not Have Commercial/Fansub Subtitles" (well, OK, I'm making that more grandiose...). It doesn't take that much work to lose the subtitles. Easiest solution- use clean source. Preferrably commercially released, as it supports those who make the anime and allows them to make more. If this just isn't possible and you have to use something subtitled (be it commercially subbed tapes or fansubs of something unreleased), either a) make an effort to edit around the subtitles, b) edit them out (time consuming and may not work well on some lower quality footage), or c) zoom or letterbox to get rid of them. I personally would prefer to see someone even use letterboxes that pop up and down (like we had to do on my early videos- see Love is on the Way if you don't know what I mean) to footage that still had subs in it.

Lastly- from the Otakon contest rules-

05. No Objectionable Content
Content of videos must be suitable for viewing by our under-21 members (or worse, their parents). We may have problems with songs that are too explicit for radio airplay, or footage that is too extreme for general broadcast.


If two versions of a song exist- an uncensored version and a radio edit, which do you think you should use? Sure- in many cases the uncensored version is funnier or more amusing... but with this rule, it's likely to get you DQ'd. This does vary from con-to-con.... for example, AWA doesn't have any problems with it from what the rules say, though the video may be limited to being shown later at night. But, when there is expressly a rule against it- use the radio edit. Or simply put in your own *BLEEEEP*s over the likely objectionable content. If it's a comedy video, odds are they'll get laughs on their own. In some cases, the radio edits are simpy the normal version with the objectionable contest silenced out, and you can just interchange the audio and have both uncensored and sanitized copies of the video available.

The three tapes we watched definitely had a variety of content, both in quality and in the content of the videos.

Ironically, even with as hard to watch as some of the videos were (Get it away! Bad! Boo! BOOOO! *see video linked at top of post*), the prescreenings were far less annoying than the 150 mile drive home afterwards that ended up taking nearly 6 hours....


Well I'm curious where you stand on "Hard Knock Anime".
My vid used "behotched" which isn't even a real word, hell it's not even the proper pronunciation or spelling of the actual eponics word. So were do I stand for language content? I am curious. I felt I was ok, but am curious where other stand on the topic.

But that one vid that kept saying "Bitches" over and over was just annoying.
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Postby Ashyukun » Mon Jun 30, 2003 2:02 pm

hackerzc wrote:Well I'm curious where you stand on "Hard Knock Anime".
My vid used "behotched" which isn't even a real word, hell it's not even the proper pronunciation or spelling of the actual eponics word. So were do I stand for language content? I am curious. I felt I was ok, but am curious where other stand on the topic.

But that one vid that kept saying "Bitches" over and over was just annoying.


I didn't have any problems with the lyrics of the song- 'behotches' while not particularly complimentary in nature :P is not one of the words I believe that would get the song tossed from radio/TV play by FCC broadcast standards, which was what I was kind of using loosely as a guide for what was appropriate. If anything in your vid would DQ it under objectionable content, I'd think it would be the scene with Mini-Me and the topless woman. Even with the blurs, I would have been worried (were I making it) about it being counted as 'objectionable content'.

As it is though, I don't believe anyone said anything about it being inappropriate for the contest, and ultimately it's up to Matt (and possibly the con chair and the likes, I don't know how Otakon's stuff works) what is objectionable content. I believe several will be cut from the contest and put into late-night overflow slots due to explicit lyrics, though.
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Postby Hitori » Mon Jun 30, 2003 2:18 pm

Mine had.. lesbians.... :cry:

*more than likely got DQ'd...



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Postby Vlad G Pohnert » Mon Jun 30, 2003 2:22 pm

Gezzz.... I hate this time during contests... The judging results are done, so the finalists technically already exists but still have to be counted up and processed to determine the results before a final list can be posted...

Man, with all the great videso out there, it's nail biting time yet again....

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