dwchang wrote:hackerzc wrote:My goal is to make something people like. I want to create a legacy for myself. Something that people will remember. I want to be able to inspire others the way I was when I saw my first amv's.
The heard of the matter is, I don't really derive any great pleasure from making AMV's. I never really have.
I think these are your problems. If you're not having fun well...I hate to say it, but you're gonna be upset then. If you're out to create a legacy or win...most of the time you're not going to. I've noticed that you have to have fun first and then rest (sometimes) comes naturally. Given not everyone having fun will win or become popular, but...the fact they're having fun seems to translate in their performance...I know that makes no logical sense, but it's how I feel.
Vlad G Pohnert wrote:Well, if it makes you fell any better, I still consider myself an outsider... Quite frankly I don't really think I'm really that popular....
Vlad
iserlohn wrote:The 100% exact final numbers aren't in yet, and I'm going to take the number after DQ, which'll put Hitori in as over...and I'm trying to remember how many we put up for DQ today, I want to say we got one or two definates and another 3 or 4 suggested....can't remember, brain is mush.
Vlad G Pohnert wrote:Yea, I do like Otakon a lot, but I'm not sure if the present pre-judging system is the best... Unfortunately, there are so many good videos that as very well made but may lack the mass appeal of a popular song done to a popular anime... Personally with such a huge contest, I think it would be time to expand the total amount of winners/categories and maybe introduce some non-audience judged elements to give recognition to the wonderful talent out there that the audience misses...
hackerzc wrote:I do have to agree with you on this. For some reason I lost my confidence in the ability of the reviewers other them myself to properly judge the videos. It just seems like last year everything was more formal as more creators were present and only a few non creator anime club members. This year it was the other way around. Only like 4 creators (that's including myself) were there. There was much heckeling going on. I feel that had the creators of some of the vids been there to hear some of the things said, they would have started to cry or something. While I don't like this at all, I must confess that by the third tape even I was following suit, and I am discusted at myself for doing so.
I remember last year when I made my first video ever. I had decided to use akira because the DVD version had just come out. Anyway, I went to the pre-screening and just before my video was shown I heared the smart remark from one of the reviewers "Oh Great an Akira video.....this gets a -2" out loud for anyone to hear. I saw the person who said this this year but did not bring it up because it would not be right.

BogoSort wrote:
Oh god, so I'm not the only one who left the place yesterday with a sour taste in my mouth. I escaped during the middle of the feeding frenzy, because I couldn't take much more of the "Well that was a crappy vid, but I'll give it a +1 for the effort." Either a vid is good or it isn't the amount of percieved effort shouldn't matter. Or the "Well that was a good concept but implemented poorly, I'll give it a +1." This is a video judging contest, not a concept juding contest. And a vocal majority of that group tended to have an inner desire to be elitist snobs. The sad part is that I got the feeling that a lot of them vocalized their ratings of the vids in hopes of receiving confirmation from their percieved peers that they rated an amv correctly.
*shrug* Then again, I guess that I'm a relative newbie and don't understand the intricacies of the elite Otakon crowd.
BogoSort wrote:Oh god, so I'm not the only one who left the place yesterday with a sour taste in my mouth. I escaped during the middle of the feeding frenzy, because I couldn't take much more of the "Well that was a crappy vid, but I'll give it a +1 for the effort." Either a vid is good or it isn't the amount of percieved effort shouldn't matter. Or the "Well that was a good concept but implemented poorly, I'll give it a +1." This is a video judging contest, not a concept juding contest. And a vocal majority of that group tended to have an inner desire to be elitist snobs. The sad part is that I got the feeling that a lot of them vocalized their ratings of the vids in hopes of receiving confirmation from their percieved peers that they rated an amv correctly.
*shrug* Then again, I guess that I'm a relative newbie and don't understand the intricacies of the elite Otakon crowd.
iserlohn wrote:As far as heckling goes, I was mostly pissed that people would start as soon as a video began and didn't even give it time to establish itself. It made judging on my end difficult, especially for the instances when a song was in a foreign language (esp. one I could understand) and I wanted to judge on lyrics, but couldn't because the heckling broke my concentration. Unfortunately, Eric the Everlasting will be there next week...at least I don't live with him anymore. I'd also be willing to gander that Matt was too exhausted to be putting up a struggle.
iserlohn wrote:*shrug* Then again, I guess that I'm a relative newbie and don't understand the intricacies of the elite Otakon crowd.
w00t. We are 1337.
Seriously, though, turnout was pretty poor. I'm not sure if it was Father's Day, the weather, being the same weekend as Anime Mid-Atlantic, or what, but it was definately less people than last year. Hopefully the turnout will increase next time, especially of creators. I'm surprised that only four? of us made it over...

BogoSort wrote:*shrug* Then again, I guess that I'm a relative newbie and don't understand the intricacies of the elite Otakon crowd.
dwchang wrote:Based on all that I read on the pre-screening I suggest Matt say something about heckling prior to the video judging and also about juding itself since there seems to be some discrepencies (as IserJohn said).
Also, just how many people were at the pre-screening? It sounds like a lot more than say 20 - 30 ppl which is what I thought. It sounds like it mainly b/c of all the heckling...ppl usually do that to draw attention to themselves and thus I am assuming this means there was an audience who's attention they were trying to get i.e...look cool in front of.
Me neither. But then again this is my first Otakon and I've been doing this about a year so (shrug). Perhaps I'll be l337 come next year and insult all your vids too j/k
By the way, what do you guys mean by egotistical statements...I mean you said that they probably hadn't made videos, so how can they be egotistical if they have no entries?
I will admit I am a bit shocked since...no offense, but most AMV fans are generally pretty easy to please. I think your video Bogosort is a perfect example of this (since you are making a parody/mockery of it :-D). Most AMV fans like the popular animes or songs and the stupidest scenes...videos with this no matter how bad are always good to them...it appears not in this case...surprising.
dwchang wrote:Based on all that I read on the pre-screening I suggest Matt say something about heckling prior to the video judging and also about juding itself since there seems to be some discrepencies (as IserJohn said).
dwchang wrote:By the way, what do you guys mean by egotistical statements...I mean you said that they probably hadn't made videos, so how can they be egotistical if they have no entries? Perhaps I am misunderstanding something. Perhaps you just meant that they were rarely impressed and stated that outloud...like if a video was simple and executed well...it's not good since it doesn't have mad effects.


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