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Re: The Video Art Track at Anime Weekend Atlanta 2013 VAT AW

Postby l33tmeatwad » Sun Aug 25, 2013 2:46 pm

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BasharOfTheAges wrote:some people felt the rules said that we're not allowed to solicit feedback from other people, i.e. "beta" our entries)
So long as soliciting feedback doesn't involve public distribution, you're fine with soliciting feedback. This goes directly to my comments on the other half of your question... if you solicit feedback in a way that lets someone lodge a complaint with "evidence I can verify", then I cannot tell the difference between you soliciting feedback and the proscribed advance distribution.
Personally I think soliciting feedback from others you know are going to participate in Pro should be discouraged simply because it really goes against the whole anonymity that it's supposed to have. We all know it's going to happen and there is no way to prove it, but I still think it should be discouraged.
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Re: The Video Art Track at Anime Weekend Atlanta 2013 VAT AW

Postby jingoro » Sun Aug 25, 2013 3:03 pm

l33tmeatwad wrote:
jingoro wrote:
BasharOfTheAges wrote:some people felt the rules said that we're not allowed to solicit feedback from other people, i.e. "beta" our entries)
So long as soliciting feedback doesn't involve public distribution, you're fine with soliciting feedback. This goes directly to my comments on the other half of your question... if you solicit feedback in a way that lets someone lodge a complaint with "evidence I can verify", then I cannot tell the difference between you soliciting feedback and the proscribed advance distribution.
Personally I think soliciting feedback from others you know are going to participate in Pro should be discouraged simply because it really goes against the whole anonymity that it's supposed to have. We all know it's going to happen and there is no way to prove it, but I still think it should be discouraged.
I don't disagree, but with no effective way to police it, my opinion means little.
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Re: The Video Art Track at Anime Weekend Atlanta 2013 VAT AW

Postby SailorDeath » Sun Aug 25, 2013 7:04 pm

l33tmeatwad wrote:
jingoro wrote:
BasharOfTheAges wrote:some people felt the rules said that we're not allowed to solicit feedback from other people, i.e. "beta" our entries)
So long as soliciting feedback doesn't involve public distribution, you're fine with soliciting feedback. This goes directly to my comments on the other half of your question... if you solicit feedback in a way that lets someone lodge a complaint with "evidence I can verify", then I cannot tell the difference between you soliciting feedback and the proscribed advance distribution.
Personally I think soliciting feedback from others you know are going to participate in Pro should be discouraged simply because it really goes against the whole anonymity that it's supposed to have. We all know it's going to happen and there is no way to prove it, but I still think it should be discouraged.


I swore I also read somewhere about being careful where you put it if you're not submitting the file directly (in other words providing a link). Last thing any of us want is to have our video show up on a site like YT that was submitted by someone other than yourself. I've shown my entry to a couple people whom I asked if they were competing first for feedback. But that's because I prefer it to be a surprise to those who are competing.
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Re: The Video Art Track at Anime Weekend Atlanta 2013 VAT AW

Postby BasharOfTheAges » Sun Aug 25, 2013 7:34 pm

jingoro wrote:
BasharOfTheAges wrote:some people felt the rules said that we're not allowed to solicit feedback from other people, i.e. "beta" our entries)
So long as soliciting feedback doesn't involve public distribution, you're fine with soliciting feedback. This goes directly to my comments on the other half of your question... if you solicit feedback in a way that lets someone lodge a complaint with "evidence I can verify", then I cannot tell the difference between you soliciting feedback and the proscribed advance distribution.

It'd be pretty pointless to be betaing your final version anyways... and per your previous distinction, anything other than the final, submitted version is technically not the same video. :lol:
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Re: The Video Art Track at Anime Weekend Atlanta 2013 VAT AW

Postby SailorDeath » Sun Aug 25, 2013 7:40 pm

BasharOfTheAges wrote:
jingoro wrote:
BasharOfTheAges wrote:some people felt the rules said that we're not allowed to solicit feedback from other people, i.e. "beta" our entries)
So long as soliciting feedback doesn't involve public distribution, you're fine with soliciting feedback. This goes directly to my comments on the other half of your question... if you solicit feedback in a way that lets someone lodge a complaint with "evidence I can verify", then I cannot tell the difference between you soliciting feedback and the proscribed advance distribution.

It'd be pretty pointless to be betaing your final version anyways... and per your previous distinction, anything other than the final, submitted version is technically not the same video. :lol:


So, wait, if I remade one of my old videos that was say posted here a while ago, I could submit the remake and it wouldn't get DQ'd? Jingoro is that correct?
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Re: The Video Art Track at Anime Weekend Atlanta 2013 VAT AW

Postby Vlad G Pohnert » Mon Aug 26, 2013 12:54 am

SailorDeath wrote:So, wait, if I remade one of my old videos that was say posted here a while ago, I could submit the remake and it wouldn't get DQ'd? Jingoro is that correct?


Is there no honor amongst editors left :P

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Re: The Video Art Track at Anime Weekend Atlanta 2013 VAT AW

Postby SailorDeath » Mon Aug 26, 2013 9:21 am

Vlad G Pohnert wrote:
SailorDeath wrote:So, wait, if I remade one of my old videos that was say posted here a while ago, I could submit the remake and it wouldn't get DQ'd? Jingoro is that correct?


Is there no honor amongst editors left :P

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LOL, I don't want to try doing this. I've been a big proponent of the "original content only" rule in pro for a while now. I was just curious because if someone does submit a remake of a video thinking that it was technically a different video then I wouldn't want to see them get disqualified. I'm glad the beta question was answered, I don't think there's a creator out there that hasn't asked another creator to critique their video before submitting a video to a con for any last minute improvements.


Actually I just had an awesome idea for AWA's "Off" year in 2014. A remake challenge. That entrants take the first amv they ever made and use it as a guide and then they recreate it and submit it along with the original. Then a panel of AWA judges watch the original and the remake and determine who made the best remake. The only thing they need in common is the source and song. And the source could even be generalize to a specific series. Like if your original version used the Vision of Escaflowne tv series and you want to use the Escaflowne movie instead. Or if your song was the record version and you want to use the live recording.
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Re: The Video Art Track at Anime Weekend Atlanta 2013 VAT AW

Postby jingoro » Mon Aug 26, 2013 1:57 pm

Though legions of fans would differ, George Lucas insists that recent (edited) re-releases of Star Wars A New Hope are, in fact, the same movie made better. I think we'll go with that. If y'all don't want to be called "George" all through AWA, don't submit remakes. ;-)
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Re: The Video Art Track at Anime Weekend Atlanta 2013 VAT AW

Postby SailorDeath » Tue Aug 27, 2013 9:25 am

This is it, down to the wire, edit edit edit and get those last minute entries completed.
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Re: The Video Art Track at Anime Weekend Atlanta 2013 VAT AW

Postby Rider4Z » Tue Aug 27, 2013 6:04 pm

yeah, i'm glad masters gets an extra week :shock:
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Re: The Video Art Track at Anime Weekend Atlanta 2013 VAT AW

Postby jingoro » Tue Aug 27, 2013 6:22 pm

Please note, the web form will still accept submissions after the deadline, but that every submission gets a date and time stamp. This date and time stamp is final for purposes of the deadline. Since the long form of the Professional Awards rules state "August 30" I will allow submissions up until 11:59 pm Baker Island time (the farthest west American territory). This is UTC-12 Hours, which makes the deadline effectively Saturday, August 31 at 6:59am Eastern Daylight Time for you chronic procrastinators or perfectionists.

Similar measures will apply for the other deadlines.
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Re: The Video Art Track at Anime Weekend Atlanta 2013 VAT AW

Postby BasharOfTheAges » Tue Aug 27, 2013 8:56 pm

Uploaded some Expo entries while I get my encoding figured out on this last thing... I kinda hit back after it finished with the first and did the second - hopefully that didn't screw anything up.

EDIT: ...and done! |:>
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Re: The Video Art Track at Anime Weekend Atlanta 2013 VAT AW

Postby Rider4Z » Wed Aug 28, 2013 6:46 pm

since the deadline is almost on top of us, i just realized... have confirmations been sent out? :uhoh:
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Re: The Video Art Track at Anime Weekend Atlanta 2013 VAT AW

Postby jingoro » Wed Aug 28, 2013 11:48 pm

All,

There are no automatic email confirmations. The only confirmation you will receive is the one on the web when you complete the form. Over the holiday weekend I will be preparing the Professional Awards videos for download. IF I encounter any problems with your video, you will be contacted and we will work to resolve the problem. If you did not upload your video using our form, but sent a link, please be sure your video remains available. If I cannot download your video from an external link, again you will be contacted. I will use the email provided on your submission form if I need to reach you.

If you would like to improve this situation, and are a crack web developer and/or video processing developer, please get in touch with me after Anime Weekend Atlanta about joining VAT Staff next year. Our technical staff (largely Carl and Myself) are stretched to the limit, and could use your experience.

Thank you.
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Re: The Video Art Track at Anime Weekend Atlanta 2013 VAT AW

Postby l33tmeatwad » Fri Aug 30, 2013 9:17 pm

Got a Pro entry in...last day FTW!
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