AWA pro thoughts/followups?

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Re: AWA pro thoughts/followups?

Postby SailorDeath » Tue Sep 11, 2012 1:06 pm

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Re: AWA pro thoughts/followups?

Postby Warlike Swans » Tue Sep 11, 2012 1:39 pm

On categories:

"Best Acton" I've never seen any Michael Bay movies so I don't know what they have to do with Acton. There is a lovely Children's Museum there though.

"Best Storytelling: Given to a video that best uses given content to create new content with an air of consistency to the new story." Either the title should be edited to "Best Story Remix" (or something of the like), or the description should be edited to include non-original narration. Personally I'd go for the latter, since I only counted 4 videos that even loosely fit the description as it stands.

"Best Non Anime" Should have the description expanded to include Non-Japanese animation.

"Best Other" and "Best 'WTF Did I Just Watch?'" Seem like they'd draw from the same pool. (I prefer the latter title.)

"I Want My Life Back Award" Description sounds kind of derogatory. I don't like it.

Also interested in knowing how many categories there will end up being (exact or estimate), since I'd like that to base the number I vote for on.
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Re: AWA pro thoughts/followups?

Postby l33tmeatwad » Tue Sep 11, 2012 1:51 pm

I'm just gonna throw this out there, but I think the "Best New Video" category is a BAD idea, as there could be videos that DID premiere in other contest and no one else knows about it (small hometown convention, results never released, not posted on the org, etc). I know of one entry that is super hard to find because the creator's youtube account was closed, yet the video did premiere somewhere else first, and the only reason I know about that is someone else who recognized it mentioned it to me.

I don't mind rewarding someone for their hard work of creating a new video, but the fact is, what is most likely gonna happen is people telling others about certain videos they may not have known about before just to "avoid" videos that shouldn't win winning it, and the whole anonymous thing getting worse off as a result.
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Re: AWA pro thoughts/followups?

Postby BasharOfTheAges » Tue Sep 11, 2012 2:09 pm

Change the name a little bit, and the whole "google rule" mentioned can go from being a stick to being a carrot this year.

Or it can just be tossed and if people feel that strongly about it, they can let it color their voting in every other category. ;)
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Re: AWA pro thoughts/followups?

Postby l33tmeatwad » Tue Sep 11, 2012 2:14 pm

I also have a question, is the "Non-Anime" supposed to include MLP and other non-Japanese animation, or is Non-Anime intended to be Non-Animation?
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Re: AWA pro thoughts/followups?

Postby ngsilver » Tue Sep 11, 2012 2:30 pm

In the past the non-anime award encompassed any video not using anime as defined by the org. Usually often meant non Japanese animation and live action, but often mostly live action as that was the major type of non-anime submitted in the past. I don't remember if we had a seperate category for MLP last year or not.
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Re: AWA pro thoughts/followups?

Postby l33tmeatwad » Tue Sep 11, 2012 2:34 pm

ngsilver wrote:In the past the non-anime award encompassed any video not using anime as defined by the org. Usually often meant non Japanese animation and live action, but often mostly live action as that was the major type of non-anime submitted in the past. I don't remember if we had a seperate category for MLP last year or not.

There was a ponies category last year, and I ask because it's not always clear how certain people define categories, as some contests have allowed "anime styled" animation to be included "as anime" in their contests. The main concern for me is that there are plenty of non-Japanese animations in the contest (not just ponies), and I want to make sure the terming is correct so I know where I can place/vote for all of them.
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Re: AWA pro thoughts/followups?

Postby SailorDeath » Tue Sep 11, 2012 2:34 pm

l33tmeatwad wrote:I also have a question, is the "Non-Anime" supposed to include MLP and other non-Japanese animation, or is Non-Anime intended to be Non-Animation?



I always felt that non-anime always meant something that didn't specifically fall into the category of Japanese Animation. Examples would include:

non-japanese cartoons (Power Puff Girls, Boondocks, My Little Pony)
Live action films
Video game footage

non-anime should mean anything that isn't anime. I know if can get a little hard to explain for shows like Resident Evil Degeneration or animation from japan that doesn't have that traditional "anime" look to it. But the general rule is, if it's animated and from japan then it's anime.
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Re: AWA pro thoughts/followups?

Postby l33tmeatwad » Tue Sep 11, 2012 2:36 pm

SailorDeath wrote:
l33tmeatwad wrote:I also have a question, is the "Non-Anime" supposed to include MLP and other non-Japanese animation, or is Non-Anime intended to be Non-Animation?



I always felt that non-anime always meant something that didn't specifically fall into the category of Japanese Animation. Examples would include:

non-japanese cartoons (Power Puff Girls, Boondocks, My Little Pony)
Live action films
Video game footage

non-anime should mean anything that isn't anime. I know if can get a little hard to explain for shows like Resident Evil Degeneration or animation from japan that doesn't have that traditional "anime" look to it. But the general rule is, if it's animated and from japan then it's anime.

I totally agree, but not everyone seems to understand that straightforward concept :uhoh:
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Re: AWA pro thoughts/followups?

Postby ngsilver » Tue Sep 11, 2012 2:43 pm

Unless the category is further defied, I think it's left up to each entrant to determine what they believe each category means. All I can say is that in the past it always seems that everyone in the contest has understood that non-anime meant anything that isn't defined as anime according to the org.

In the end if that's what we decide the category means, then that's what it means. It's one of the things that makes pro interesting, it doesn't matter what the coordinators think, it's what us, the judges/entrants think that matters.
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Re: AWA pro thoughts/followups?

Postby l33tmeatwad » Tue Sep 11, 2012 2:53 pm

ngsilver wrote:Unless the category is further defied, I think it's left up to each entrant to determine what they believe each category means. All I can say is that in the past it always seems that everyone in the contest has understood that non-anime meant anything that isn't defined as anime according to the org.

In the end if that's what we decide the category means, then that's what it means. It's one of the things that makes pro interesting, it doesn't matter what the coordinators think, it's what us, the judges/entrants think that matters.

Well my HOPE is that the creator of that category further defines it, hopefully they see this discussion and decided to expand it some.
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Re: AWA pro thoughts/followups?

Postby BasharOfTheAges » Tue Sep 11, 2012 2:55 pm

ngsilver wrote:it doesn't matter what the coordinators think, it's what us, the judges/entrants think that matters.

noob questions

Does that mean nominating video X to category Y, when X does not fit in Y at all, is not something that's fixed?
Does that mean creating categories to insult someone is not something that's veto'd from above?

/noob questions

I thought there was some form of safeguard executive control.
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Re: AWA pro thoughts/followups?

Postby ngsilver » Tue Sep 11, 2012 3:04 pm

I don't know. I never really paid much attention to how voting was handled really ever, and I'm not really privy to that info this year either.

I usually figured it was the mass number of voters who wound up culling through the crap entries to allow the proper ones to shine through in the results. But if everyone is trolling then that would fail as well.
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Re: AWA pro thoughts/followups?

Postby Mr Pilkington » Tue Sep 11, 2012 3:59 pm

l33tmeatwad wrote:
SailorDeath wrote:
l33tmeatwad wrote:I also have a question, is the "Non-Anime" supposed to include MLP and other non-Japanese animation, or is Non-Anime intended to be Non-Animation?



I always felt that non-anime always meant something that didn't specifically fall into the category of Japanese Animation. Examples would include:

non-japanese cartoons (Power Puff Girls, Boondocks, My Little Pony)
Live action films
Video game footage

non-anime should mean anything that isn't anime. I know if can get a little hard to explain for shows like Resident Evil Degeneration or animation from japan that doesn't have that traditional "anime" look to it. But the general rule is, if it's animated and from japan then it's anime.

I totally agree, but not everyone seems to understand that straightforward concept :uhoh:

How many years has pro had this same category without bitch? I mean really
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Re: AWA pro thoughts/followups?

Postby l33tmeatwad » Tue Sep 11, 2012 4:32 pm

Mr Pilkington wrote:How many years has pro had this same category without bitch? I mean really

No idea, last year was my first year participating and they didn't have it...
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