AWA pro thoughts/followups?

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Re: AWA pro thoughts/followups?

Postby BasharOfTheAges » Tue Oct 02, 2012 12:35 pm

jingoro wrote:
AMV_4000 wrote:Well that ruins my master plans for ending masters next year... no hentai in pro :(

Wait, I have an 18+ rule and a no Hentai rule? I think I broke something there. Let me dwell on this. Please discuss.

IIRC, previous discussions on the topic (2009-2011) indicated that even without an explicit rule banning it, there's a general sentiment that it would be seen as a troll entry and wouldn't win even if it was the best entry in the contest, so it's not worth it to bother.
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Re: AWA pro thoughts/followups?

Postby Mr Pilkington » Tue Oct 02, 2012 12:36 pm

You know my opinion:

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Re: AWA pro thoughts/followups?

Postby Mr Pilkington » Tue Oct 02, 2012 1:00 pm

BasharOfTheAges wrote:IIRC, previous discussions on the topic (2009-2011) indicated that even without an explicit rule banning it, there's a general sentiment that it would be seen as a troll entry and wouldn't win even if it was the best entry in the contest, so it's not worth it to bother.

That was regarding a personal preference on the part of the judge for said award. That's not to say it can't win, just that the odds are stacked against it. That said I vividly recall a video that was themed "adult" by awa last year but was so masterfully made and told such a touching story that I think EVERYONE needs to see it.


It's a total possibility to tell a really amazing story with hentai. Just because most h-videos are really poorly made with really bad puns as the premise, that does not have to be the case. I would even go so far to declare MJ's a girl with pretty eyes The Animation a very well built video. It uses a number of elements that comprise a good video despite having a rather humorous theme. While TGTA isn't in my mind a master quality entry, I would have no problem with Jingoro giving Jus Talionis a jacket if it were eligible. Don't discount a source, there are a lot of people in the community that have used odd sources to tell amazing tales. That's my honest input.
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Re: AWA pro thoughts/followups?

Postby jingoro » Tue Oct 02, 2012 1:04 pm

Mr Pilkington wrote:You know my opinion:
moar porn

Wish I could sell AWA on a Track That Does Not Exist so all y'all pervs could have a room of yer own. ;-)
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Re: AWA pro thoughts/followups?

Postby Mr Pilkington » Tue Oct 02, 2012 1:07 pm

The last thing awa needs is a 24 hour event that attracts the frolicon crowd.
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Re: AWA pro thoughts/followups?

Postby jingoro » Tue Oct 02, 2012 1:14 pm

Mr Pilkington wrote:It's a total possibility to tell a really amazing story with hentai.

I stand with Mr. Pilkington on this one. I want our contests to support artistic expression, including that which I could not screen in Main Events or even the general VAT. Though I've already admitted that a prurient video would have the cards stacked against it in a contest such as Masters, I can easily imagine one so technically flawless and artistically compelling that it could, in fact, win.

Any restriction on Pro was, to my recollection, because of a significant contingent not wanting to watch such things (which I understand as well) and a perception that if you were in Pro you were obligated to do so (which I vehemently disagreed with at the time). Unable to remove the peer pressure of that obligation, I seem to recall bumping such things to Expo, and then handing them straight off to the team that ran the adult block... a contingent I'll note that watches far more of this stuff than I or my general staff do and who were much better equipped to review such things and award prizes accordingly.

Topic is still open, folks. This is one of those unintended consequences of the Pro change.
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Re: AWA pro thoughts/followups?

Postby jingoro » Tue Oct 02, 2012 1:19 pm

Mr Pilkington wrote:moar porn

Mr Pilkington wrote:The last thing awa needs is a 24 hour event that attracts the frolicon crowd.

Make up yer mind already, eh?
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Re: AWA pro thoughts/followups?

Postby Mr Pilkington » Tue Oct 02, 2012 1:27 pm

jingoro wrote:
Mr Pilkington wrote:moar porn
Mr Pilkington wrote:The last thing awa needs is a 24 hour event that attracts the frolicon crowd.

Make up yer mind already, eh?

12 hours a day is more than enough fap.
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Re: AWA pro thoughts/followups?

Postby kireblue » Tue Oct 02, 2012 1:39 pm

I think that a "no hentai" rule is a little too broad. I think that a "no pornography" rule would be more suitable. doesn't actually have any hentai in it, but it does have a "mature" theme. Thus, a rule that allows 18+ videos is necessary. But I don't feel that actually has pornography in it (especially since even though the video was edited to portray rape, the scene doesn't actually exists in any of the sources)

I think that (coincidentally by the same editors) is a better example of using hentai/ yuri to tell a story and be a entertaining video. But just as in the case of , the scenes that portray sex were handled "tactfully" enough to avoid being classified as a hentai video (even though it is definitely 18+)

I am only open to getting rid of a "no hentai" rule if it is replaced by a rule that prevents people from submitting outright pornography. I know plenty of underage editors that are far more talented than myself, and it would be unfortunate to have rules in place that would prevent them from participating in Pro and Masters.
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Re: AWA pro thoughts/followups?

Postby drewaconclusion » Tue Oct 02, 2012 1:50 pm

l33tmeatwad wrote:
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l33tmeatwad wrote:I don't really like Masters being chosen from the Pro pool of videos. I would rather make a new video for both contests...

you can still pretty much do this since Masters will now be accepting 2 possible entries. This is definitely the most flexible compromise to the exclusive rule.

Then I would prefer to make 3 new videos, one for master and two for pro :P

I find this statement rather hilarious. Especially considering you've consistently entered videos that were very obviously premiered before AWA pro, nevermind the fact that they'd won multiple awards before AWA.
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Re: AWA pro thoughts/followups?

Postby Mr Pilkington » Tue Oct 02, 2012 1:59 pm

kireblue wrote:I think that a "no hentai" rule is a little too broad. I think that a "no pornography" rule would be more suitable. doesn't actually have any hentai in it, but it does have a "mature" theme. Thus, a rule that allows 18+ videos is necessary. But I don't feel that actually has pornography in it (especially since even though the video was edited to portray rape, the scene doesn't actually exists in any of the sources)

I think that (coincidentally by the same editors) is a better example of using hentai/ yuri to tell a story and be a entertaining video. But just as in the case of , the scenes that portray sex were handled "tactfully" enough to avoid being classified as a hentai video (even though it is definitely 18+)

I am only open to getting rid of a "no hentai" rule if it is replaced by a rule that prevents people from submitting outright pornography. I know plenty of underage editors that are far more talented than myself, and it would be unfortunate to have rules in place that would prevent them from participating in Pro and Masters.

The problem there is qualification and artistic castration.

Not going to dive too deep into it, but it goes back to the argument of nudity in art. The lines blur based on who you ask





drewaconclusion wrote:I find this statement rather hilarious. Especially considering you've consistently entered videos that were very obviously premiered before AWA pro, nevermind the fact that they'd won multiple awards before AWA.

I presume it was sarcasm. That said, it's got merit. I made my opinion well known, but I liked the idea of only new vids in pro with a separate masters contest.
expo = video dump. If it wins an award, yay? If not just enjoy the crowd reaction.
Pro = set out to win with the best you got, Grind away on one video, if you have time try for a 2nd.
Masters = Start 2 years out and pour your heart and souls into something that's totally new to you.
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Re: AWA pro thoughts/followups?

Postby SailorDeath » Tue Oct 02, 2012 2:06 pm

Both hentai videos I entered into pro were by no means meant to be "troll videos" As made evident by winning best comedy for 3D and the EP, there CAN be pornographic hentai amvs that can win a MAJOR category. I entered Guro Soup because I thought it was good enough for pro, and considering that won Best Adult I think some people agreed with that opinion.
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Re: AWA pro thoughts/followups?

Postby BasharOfTheAges » Tue Oct 02, 2012 2:29 pm

Mr Pilkington wrote:
drewaconclusion wrote:I find this statement rather hilarious. Especially considering you've consistently entered videos that were very obviously premiered before AWA pro, nevermind the fact that they'd won multiple awards before AWA.

I presume it was sarcasm. That said, it's got merit. I made my opinion well known, but I liked the idea of only new vids in pro with a separate masters contest.
expo = video dump. If it wins an award, yay? If not just enjoy the crowd reaction.
Pro = set out to win with the best you got, Grind away on one video, if you have time try for a 2nd.
Masters = Start 2 years out and pour your heart and souls into something that's totally new to you.

It wasn't the content of the message that was bullshitingly lulzy, it was the person stating it.
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Re: AWA pro thoughts/followups?

Postby AMV_4000 » Tue Oct 02, 2012 2:40 pm

I am perfectly fine with the no nudity in pro, you had better have the sick and twisted award ready in expo then :p

*I misspoke with the "no hentai" comment, I figured you knew I was saying "no nudity/18+ content" sorry*
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Re: AWA pro thoughts/followups?

Postby Lord Rae » Tue Oct 02, 2012 3:17 pm

I was pretty sure we had some Hentai entries in Pro in the past.. although it's been years since I've seen one. Never minded them unless they were poorly made.
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