AWA pro thoughts/followups?

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Re: AWA pro thoughts/followups?

Postby Rider4Z » Tue Sep 18, 2012 1:03 pm

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l33tmeatwad wrote:people putting a lot of work towards contents like Akross that REQUIRE exclusive videos



This is what I'm saying should happen.
This is what used to happen.

It can easily happen again for Pro.

just my personal opinion, but as l33tmeatwad said, Akross has an exclusivity rule as well. and being so close together... no offense to AWA, but Akross by far has a higher standard of quality entries. if it was me, because the competition is so extreme, i'd be more likely to enter Akross instead if i felt i made a slam dunk video. in other words, if i made 2 videos to enter AWA and Akross, i would enter the better of the two into Akross.

what i'm getting at is i fear that the quality of AWA Pro could decrease if the exclusivity rule was enforced. not a guarantee, just a possibility....
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Re: AWA pro thoughts/followups?

Postby l33tmeatwad » Tue Sep 18, 2012 1:07 pm

Rider4Z wrote:just my personal opinion, but as l33tmeatwad said, Akross has an exclusivity rule as well. and being so close together... no offense to AWA, but Akross by far has a higher standard of quality entries. if it was me, because the competition is so extreme, i'd be more likely to enter Akross instead if i felt i made a slam dunk video. in other words, if i made 2 videos to enter AWA and Akross, i would enter the better of the two into Akross.

what i'm getting at is i fear that the quality of AWA Pro could decrease if the exclusivity rule was enforced. not a guarantee, just a possibility....

Actually, I'll say it now, the quality of Pro would drastically drop and the entries would probably get cut in half if that happened, especially on years where there is Masters. As much as it is cool to have all new videos, the fact that it wasn't established that way would make it suffer if it were to suddenly change. I'm NOT against new videos only, I just know it would hurt the contest and I like having Pro around because the contest is fun.
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Re: AWA pro thoughts/followups?

Postby Fall_Child42 » Tue Sep 18, 2012 1:14 pm

l33tmeatwad wrote:Actually, I'll say it now, the quality of Pro would drastically drop ...


Dear meatwad,

Since you can predict the future, please tell me the numbers that will appear in my local lottery.

TIA

The quality of pro seemed just fine when everyone thought it was exclusive and only sent in videos made just for the contest. As a matter of fact, people seemed to try harder and make something really cool, and often out of the ordinary due to this belief.

That wasn't that long ago.
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Re: AWA pro thoughts/followups?

Postby SailorDeath » Tue Sep 18, 2012 1:17 pm

Mr Pilkington wrote:In general I can forgive if this is the first offense, but you repeat offenders know better and should show a little more respect for the coordinators. Hell, I keep mine from my studio members in the (unlikely) chance they actually edit something.


So you don't approve of video #6 since it's easy to figure out who made it? I did go to Nate's profile and he doesn't have it listed, so technically he's not breaking the "new video" rule that's unofficial between the entrants.

I used to discuss the whole new video rule at great lengths with Quu. THe line of thought we always had was that one of the big things that made Pro unique was that it was peer reviewed. Blinding entries was to prevent favoritism in the voting because there are far too many people who would vote for their friends over someone they don't know personally. It was for blinding purposes that most people also adopted an "original videos only" rule that was pretty much just self employed. As I demonstrated earlier in the 10 minutes I spent looking up the videos using super search on the org I found that nearly 10% of the entrants have the videos already premiered. That was 10 minutes of searching. Quu mentioned he liked the idea of a google search rule, he told me that he wanted to work with Jingoro and actually implement something like that for this year but that never happened.

Personally I'd love to see an original content. I love competing with something that hasn't been battle tested yet. This is part of the reason why I love masters so much. We could always see if Jingoro is willing to give it a shot for next year. At worst it'll be in effect for only a year and if it doesn't work, 2014 they can allow entries that have been to other cons again.
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Re: AWA pro thoughts/followups?

Postby l33tmeatwad » Tue Sep 18, 2012 1:22 pm

Fall_Child42 wrote:
l33tmeatwad wrote:Actually, I'll say it now, the quality of Pro would drastically drop ...


Dear meatwad,

Since you can predict the future, please tell me the numbers that will appear in my local lottery.

TIA

The quality of pro seemed just fine when everyone thought it was exclusive and only sent in videos made just for the contest. As a matter of fact, people seemed to try harder and make something really cool, and often out of the ordinary due to this belief.

That wasn't that long ago.

If that were the rule this year, most of the best videos that everyone seemed to enjoy wouldn't be competing at all, and considering the videos that I think are exclusive (they could not be), the quality would be rather low overall with the lack of the other videos. Considering some of those videos are from editors I know that competed in so many contests recently, they most likely would not have had any time to create anything new for this contest. This is probably a discussion best had AFTER the contest since I can't really use examples right now...

SailorDeath wrote:...Blinding entries was to prevent favoritism in the voting because there are far too many people who would vote for their friends over someone they don't know personally...

That's not even a real benefit, as many people already know the videos their friends will submit, and people that are going to vote that way won't be ones to hide their videos from their friends.
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Re: AWA pro thoughts/followups?

Postby Rider4Z » Tue Sep 18, 2012 1:26 pm

l33tmeatwad wrote:
SailorDeath wrote:...Blinding entries was to prevent favoritism in the voting because there are far too many people who would vote for their friends over someone they don't know personally...

That's not even a real benefit, as many people already know the videos their friends will submit, and people that are going to vote that way won't be ones to hide their videos from their friends.

beta testing :asd: if there were a LOT more entries, this theory would work a lot better imo.
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Re: AWA pro thoughts/followups?

Postby Fall_Child42 » Tue Sep 18, 2012 1:31 pm

If that were the rule this year then perhaps some of those editors that made those favourites would have known that they would have had to make something new and would have made something equally as good as what is in here.

But this is simple speculation. As much as I'd like to be, I am not a 5th dimensional being living outside of a linear time dimension.
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Re: AWA pro thoughts/followups?

Postby SailorDeath » Tue Sep 18, 2012 1:39 pm

Fall_Child42 wrote:But this is simple speculation. As much as I'd like to be, I am not a 5th dimensional being living outside of a linear time dimension.


But I am, just let me get my sonic screwdriver and TARDIS and I'll let you know how it turns out...
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Re: AWA pro thoughts/followups?

Postby Mr Pilkington » Tue Sep 18, 2012 1:41 pm

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Mr Pilkington wrote:In general I can forgive if this is the first offense, but you repeat offenders know better and should show a little more respect for the coordinators. Hell, I keep mine from my studio members in the (unlikely) chance they actually edit something.


So you don't approve of video #6 since it's easy to figure out who made it? I did go to Nate's profile and he doesn't have it listed, so technically he's not breaking the "new video" rule that's unofficial between the entrants.

I don't really see how this defines #6 in the slightest. There will always be styles that transcend blindness, I highly doubt that my videos have ever been well hidden for that matter. It's really up to the editor to make something unique. Lets face it, if they don't, and especially in the case in question, people get tired of it and vote it down. That's one of the more beautiful aspects of peer review.
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Re: AWA pro thoughts/followups?

Postby Mr Pilkington » Tue Sep 18, 2012 1:45 pm

Rider4Z wrote:
l33tmeatwad wrote:
SailorDeath wrote:...Blinding entries was to prevent favoritism in the voting because there are far too many people who would vote for their friends over someone they don't know personally...

That's not even a real benefit, as many people already know the videos their friends will submit, and people that are going to vote that way won't be ones to hide their videos from their friends.

beta testing :asd: if there were a LOT more entries, this theory would work a lot better imo.

This rolls back into the personal honestly category. Every year I make damn sure all of my beat testers are not entering the contest.
Otherwise, what's the point in entering if you already can rely on a bunch of votes? Why enter a contest you know you're going to win based on favoritism alone? There's no fun or point. Again, personal opinion
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Re: AWA pro thoughts/followups?

Postby jingoro » Tue Sep 18, 2012 1:47 pm

SailorDeath wrote:I KNOW, FREAKIN START IT ALREADY!!

I think I said category nominations would be closing tonight. Let's be specific. I'm closing the site at 2012-09-19 00:00 UTC which is 8:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time (the official time zone of our host, Anime Weekend Atlanta).
When the voting site goes live, it will remain live until 2012-09-26 00:00 UTC which is 8:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time one week later.
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Re: AWA pro thoughts/followups?

Postby SailorDeath » Tue Sep 18, 2012 1:52 pm

jingoro wrote:
SailorDeath wrote:I KNOW, FREAKIN START IT ALREADY!!

I think I said category nominations would be closing tonight. Let's be specific. I'm closing the site at 2012-09-19 00:00 UTC which is 8:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time (the official time zone of our host, Anime Weekend Atlanta).
When the voting site goes live, it will remain live until 2012-09-26 00:00 UTC which is 8:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time one week later.



aaah, on the voting page it says 1012-09-18 00:00 UTC.

on the page:

"Category nominations end at 12:00 UTC on Monday, September 17, 2012."
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Re: AWA pro thoughts/followups?

Postby l33tmeatwad » Tue Sep 18, 2012 1:52 pm

I say that they have an exclusive rule next year just to see how it goes, whether it hurts the contest or not. Put up a poll or something to see how many are for it.
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Re: AWA pro thoughts/followups?

Postby siny » Tue Sep 18, 2012 1:55 pm

My two cents, regarding the rules or not:

The fact is some people made new videos for this year and I believe they worked hard on them. I think having a category of Best New Video, is a way to award those that tried and made a new video. To be honest I had no idea about the new video thingy. That doesn't mean we shouldn't reward those that did a new video. I had my votes for that category, some really nice new videos, and to be honest I'm a bit sad to see that category go away...
The only ones I have no idea if they are new or not, are the live action ones. But for me they are new, so.

For the future, maybe if when you submit a video you get a little checkbox saying if that's new or not. And then of course, have the Best New Video category. It would also be a way to filter the new videos. You could also have a "new rule" like, "you're only allowed to submit an old video".

I just think that for this year, the category should stay so that those that did in fact a new video just for AWA get rewarded.
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Re: AWA pro thoughts/followups?

Postby SailorDeath » Tue Sep 18, 2012 2:02 pm

siny wrote:I just think that for this year, the category should stay so that those that did in fact a new video just for AWA get rewarded.


It'd be nice, but with all the logistics involved to make it happen and with the con just over a week away there's no way it can happen. I for one don't want to make Jingoro want to lost what remains of his sanity after having to rush to cope with the passing of Quu. That in and of itself had to be a nightmare to cope with. Personally, as much as I like to bitch about stuff here on the forums, I in no way want to dump more problems on Jingoro, Vlad or any other staffer for awa. Hence the reason why I'm making suggestions for next year instead. It's way too late in the game to do anything for this year.
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