AWA pro thoughts/followups?

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Re: AWA pro thoughts/followups?

Postby Rider4Z » Thu Sep 13, 2012 5:24 pm

all comments about my entries have been pretty much repeated, good and bad i mean all good... :uhoh:
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Re: AWA pro thoughts/followups?

Postby l33tmeatwad » Thu Sep 13, 2012 5:27 pm

Rider4Z wrote:all comments about my entries have been pretty much repeated, good and bad i mean all good... :uhoh:

Same here, both my entries received similar responses from just about everyone.
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Re: AWA pro thoughts/followups?

Postby Haunter103 » Thu Sep 13, 2012 7:57 pm

Lord Rae wrote: What's worse is you realize that it's a problem only after someone points it out and now it's all I can see. :(
I knew of my vid's problems before they were pointed out. I just stopped caring 8-) :bear:

BasharOfTheAges wrote:Am I the only one waiting with baited breath for FC's drawings?
You might be waiting a while. He's at NDK
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Re: AWA pro thoughts/followups?

Postby SailorDeath » Fri Sep 14, 2012 12:32 am

Gimme a minute, I'll make a cool one....
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Re: AWA pro thoughts/followups?

Postby jingoro » Fri Sep 14, 2012 6:52 am

Everyone,

Because of issues with the voting website for some users, I am going to generate an email listing your nominations this weekend for each of you, sent to your registered email address. Please take the time to review our records of your ballots, and reply to the email with corrections if you find any discrepancies.

Thank you for taking this extra step,
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Re: AWA pro thoughts/followups?

Postby drewaconclusion » Fri Sep 14, 2012 8:08 am

SailorDeath wrote:Just reminder, awa starts in
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V17duGlHEYY

I love that scene. :asd:
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Re: AWA pro thoughts/followups?

Postby BasharOfTheAges » Fri Sep 14, 2012 9:13 pm

Haunter103 wrote:
BasharOfTheAges wrote:Am I the only one waiting with baited breath for FC's drawings?
You might be waiting a while. He's at NDK

Yea, but I posted that on Tuesday.
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Re: AWA pro thoughts/followups?

Postby JudgeHolden » Fri Sep 14, 2012 11:38 pm

BasharOfTheAges wrote:
Haunter103 wrote:
BasharOfTheAges wrote:Am I the only one waiting with baited breath for FC's drawings?
You might be waiting a while. He's at NDK

Yea, but I posted that on Tuesday.


Give Todd a break; he's Canadian after all. :awesome:
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Re: AWA pro thoughts/followups?

Postby drewaconclusion » Sat Sep 15, 2012 1:09 pm

Since the voting/category site is still down, any idea of when it'll be going back up?
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Re: AWA pro thoughts/followups?

Postby jingoro » Sat Sep 15, 2012 1:25 pm

drewaconclusion wrote:Since the voting/category site is still down, any idea of when it'll be going back up?

OK, now it's up... really!
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Re: AWA pro thoughts/followups?

Postby Rider4Z » Sat Sep 15, 2012 2:01 pm

oh good, looks like all my votes are still there :up: OO and a couple new categories!

ugh... i hate to say it but i'm voting for the same video in a handful of categories X( i really didn't want to do that but i gotta be fair, right? :P

i didn't vote in the Best New Video category. i don't know which ones are new or not. they're all new to me.
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Re: AWA pro thoughts/followups?

Postby BasharOfTheAges » Sat Sep 15, 2012 3:37 pm

Rider4Z wrote:oh good, looks like all my votes are still there :up: OO and a couple new categories!

ugh... i hate to say it but i'm voting for the same video in a handful of categories X( i really didn't want to do that but i gotta be fair, right? :
i didn't vote in the Best New Video category. i don't know which ones are new or not. they're all new to me.

The only way that category would work is if people fessed up and took themmself out of the running. It would obviously require oversight and maybe some double checking from disinterested parties that see a lot of videos all year.
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Re: AWA pro thoughts/followups?

Postby SailorDeath » Sat Sep 15, 2012 8:49 pm

BasharOfTheAges wrote:The only way that category would work is if people fessed up and took themmself out of the running. It would obviously require oversight and maybe some double checking from disinterested parties that see a lot of videos all year.


From what I understand there's always been a lot of people for an original only contest as well as a lot of people against it. That's one of the reasons why I like masters so much, because all entries have to be original creations for that contest. Personally, as much as I'd like to see a new video rule in pro, it'll probably never happen. Though for the next "off" year they can try and do an "original" pro contest if they're up for the extra work of having to run 2. That is one contest that is still the same old tried and true and one that's requires only original entries. I doubt it'd fly because if I know everyone they'd enter stuff into both. Course they could also just try and test it out for a year and see what kind of results. The vast majority of people who enter pro enter original content. I do, but then I usually only enter awa, youmacon and acen to begin with.
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Re: AWA pro thoughts/followups?

Postby BasharOfTheAges » Sat Sep 15, 2012 9:11 pm

SailorDeath wrote:
BasharOfTheAges wrote:The only way that category would work is if people fessed up and took themmself out of the running. It would obviously require oversight and maybe some double checking from disinterested parties that see a lot of videos all year.


From what I understand there's always been a lot of people for an original only contest as well as a lot of people against it. That's one of the reasons why I like masters so much, because all entries have to be original creations for that contest. Personally, as much as I'd like to see a new video rule in pro, it'll probably never happen. Though for the next "off" year they can try and do an "original" pro contest if they're up for the extra work of having to run 2. That is one contest that is still the same old tried and true and one that's requires only original entries. I doubt it'd fly because if I know everyone they'd enter stuff into both. Course they could also just try and test it out for a year and see what kind of results. The vast majority of people who enter pro enter original content. I do, but then I usually only enter awa, youmacon and acen to begin with.

Well, in this context it's already a category up for voting on instead of a rule. If it got enough entries to go on to be an official category, jingoro would have to delete the entries within it that don't fit (either explicitly by taking them off the list, or implicitly by throwing away votes behind the scenes). I could point to nine of them; I'm sure someone like Vlad could point to a few more given how many contests he runs. But ultimately, to be sure, people would have to volunteer to out themselves. It could easily be done, if that category got the votes to become real.
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Re: AWA pro thoughts/followups?

Postby SailorDeath » Sat Sep 15, 2012 9:35 pm

BasharOfTheAges wrote:Well, in this context it's already a category up for voting on instead of a rule. If it got enough entries to go on to be an official category, jingoro would have to delete the entries within it that don't fit (either explicitly by taking them off the list, or implicitly by throwing away votes behind the scenes). I could point to nine of them; I'm sure someone like Vlad could point to a few more given how many contests he runs. But ultimately, to be sure, people would have to volunteer to out themselves. It could easily be done, if that category got the votes to become real.


The other option would be a special script where the person who made one that's not new could go to the vote page and select "Withdraw video from voting" but there's be several things to include:

1. The creator's videos would need to be linked to the account so only they could remove videos
2. Everyone would need to be honest and actually remove it if they had premiered it already

1 is easy, 2 is impossible to enforce. There are a lot of participants who just upload the videos and then do nothing else (download, review and vote) meaning that anyone who does that, if they've entered elsewhere won't remove their video. Then you'll also have people who won't do it just because they don't care and would take advantage of it. IIRC I believe there was a stink at one con one year where the video that won was actually just the opening intro to a game, directly lifted and submitted. If there are people out there willing to go that far then it's really not that much of a reach to see people not withdrawing videos from voting.

To be honest, if we really want a "new video" category, the way I'd go about implementing it is just to have a field in the electronic entry form labeled "Participation" where people can check a yes no box that says "Has this video participated in another contest" if they check yes and add this as one of the "Permanent" categories that show up every year then it'd be a simple flag that it looks for when listing the videos in that category for voting. People can still take advantage of it and select no anyway, but at the same time there's a huge community of people out there. Even if they did all the contest admins would need to do is check the 4 or 5 videos that made it to final voting to see if it's been uploaded/premiered on the org or at other conventions. If it has, then they can DQ it and go with the runner up.
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