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Re: Anime Expo 2011 - AMV Chef is BACK!

Postby Ileia » Tue May 17, 2011 4:57 pm

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Castor Troy wrote:Who will be brave enough to challenge me on the battlefield?! :shark:


*cough*

But you can't mistake my not wanting to go to AX as not being brave enough to face you ;P


I will buy your badge and take care of your hotel if you go :|

This would be a showdown too epic to miss.



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Re: Anime Expo 2011 - AMV Chef is BACK!

Postby Pwolf » Tue May 17, 2011 5:33 pm

The official Iron Editor doesn't do a scoring system, the judges just get together and decide which one they think is better. However, this isn't Iron Editor and scoring systems are fine.

Basically, get rid of the rule, it's uneeded IMO or just say, "What ever is on the timeline at the end of the time period is what will be judged." The way i see it, at the end of the 3 hours, the editor should tell the tech staff (or who ever is going to render the videos for the editors) what program they used (premiere or after effects) as their primary editing program. The staff then render it out and what ever was on the time line is what is judged. It would be the editor's job to either utilize Adobe's dynamic link feature so that any AE comps are rendered on the timeline or pre-render them before the time limit. Iron Editor lets the participants give the video a look over incase the render messed up, other then that, they can't change anything. So, IMO, that would fall under Troy's "Technical" merit since it's more of a time management and basic editing principal to make sure your timeline is filled up. That said, there's no need to change the existing point system Troy made.
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Re: Anime Expo 2011 - AMV Chef is BACK!

Postby The Wired Knight » Tue May 17, 2011 5:44 pm

Pwolf wrote:on a side note, the event's #1 priority, while still a competition, should be to entertain the audience. if you DQ an editor because they didn't render stuff out of AE before the time limit, you're only hurting the people who sat there for 3 hours expecting to see something cool but ended up seeing someone get DQd because of something minor.

I doubt anyone is going to be making complex enough comps that will take a long time to render anyway. I assume the AMV Editor block is 4 hours long to allow enough time?

I actually wonder what Vic would say about this. I don't think it's ever been an issue for Iron Editor.


Honestly, barring some MAJOR infraction (i.e. not using the secret ingredient at all, editing past the time limit) I don't think there is ever a good reason to DQ a video in Iron Editor. It kills the competition and makes the audience feel like they waited for nothing really.

Two things

1. Regarding the points, I have no problem with points but are the points divided between two videos or is it out of a maximum number of points? I.e. can I give a video a 10 out of 15 and another an 8 out of 15 or do I have to divide it and say go 10 and 5? Personally I prefer the later system for IE because the subjectiveness of point value becomes less of a factor (to get what I'm talking about consider aggregate review scores out of 100 - to some people a 50 is average but to some a 70 is average which means the two in an aggregate scoring system don't quite balance each other out regarding what the reviewer actually thought of it).

2. I strongly recomend the "Do you know the anime" game that I've seen at AWA for years for audience participation. It allows the audience to play along (withotu shouting the answers of course), consumes a lot of time and is just generally a fun game all around.

If we've got enough AMV editors out there I think you should do a "Do you know the AMV" game :twisted: play something like 20 amv snippets with completley different music playing (i.e. A little retrospective & the AMV Hell 4 credits) and see how many actual AMVs can be spotted.
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Re: Anime Expo 2011 - AMV Chef is BACK!

Postby Scintilla » Tue May 17, 2011 6:00 pm

The Wired Knight wrote:2. I strongly recomend the "Do you know the anime" game that I've seen at AWA for years for audience participation. It allows the audience to play along (withotu shouting the answers of course), consumes a lot of time and is just generally a fun game all around.

But make sure you screen contestants somehow for actually being able to name some animé. I know something like this is de rigeur at Otakon, but at last year's AWA, we had three contestants who did an astoundingly poor job at naming the sources in "Bouncing Through the Years".
While I love that video to death, I thought it was a poor choice for a "name the animé" game, because it was just all of GAiNAX's works up to 2005 and nothing else... yet the contestants STILL couldn't even name half of the sources!
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Re: Anime Expo 2011 - AMV Chef is BACK!

Postby Pwolf » Tue May 17, 2011 6:09 pm

At sakuracon, Vic basically said, "don't raise your hand if you don't know a lot of a anime."
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Re: Anime Expo 2011 - AMV Chef is BACK!

Postby Castor Troy » Tue May 17, 2011 6:27 pm

Pwolf wrote:At sakuracon, Vic basically said, "don't raise your hand if you don't know a lot of a anime."


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Re: Anime Expo 2011 - AMV Chef is BACK!

Postby XStylus » Tue May 17, 2011 6:54 pm

Pwolf wrote:on a side note, the event's #1 priority, while still a competition, should be to entertain the audience. if you DQ an editor because they didn't render stuff out of AE before the time limit, you're only hurting the people who sat there for 3 hours expecting to see something cool but ended up seeing someone get DQd because of something minor.


I agree wholeheartedly. In my view, it should be nigh impossible to DQ a competitor unless they did one of two things: 1) Used less than three sources or didn't use the secret source. 2) Used a music track that was unplayably obscene. If those conditions are met, the video plays. It's in the judges' hands from there.

I think this simplifies things:
4) Competitors may edit until the last second, at which time nothing may be added, moved, or removed. The final projects shall then be output to a file for playback.


I was getting too technical previously. But hey, I'm a tech guy. Technical is what I do. :asd:
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Re: Anime Expo 2011 - AMV Chef is BACK!

Postby Rider4Z » Tue May 17, 2011 7:12 pm

The Wired Knight wrote:1. Regarding the points, I have no problem with points but are the points divided between two videos or is it out of a maximum number of points? I.e. can I give a video a 10 out of 15 and another an 8 out of 15 or do I have to divide it and say go 10 and 5? Personally I prefer the later system for IE because the subjectiveness of point value becomes less of a factor (to get what I'm talking about consider aggregate review scores out of 100 - to some people a 50 is average but to some a 70 is average which means the two in an aggregate scoring system don't quite balance each other out regarding what the reviewer actually thought of it).

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Re: Anime Expo 2011 - AMV Chef is BACK!

Postby Pwolf » Tue May 17, 2011 7:28 pm

Make it even more simple:

4) Competitors may edit until the last second, at which time nothing may be added, moved, or removed.The final projects shall then be output to a file for playback.


How else would they be played? :P
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Re: Anime Expo 2011 - AMV Chef is BACK!

Postby XStylus » Tue May 17, 2011 7:31 pm

Rider4Z wrote:see? i knew i had a good idea.

:P


Actually, it was Brad's idea, and a very good one IMO. He wanted to mimic the judging methodology used on Iron Chef.

While there's not a whole lot of ways to do this event differently from Iron Editor®, we'd prefer to mimic Iron Chef more closely.
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Re: Anime Expo 2011 - AMV Chef is BACK!

Postby XStylus » Tue May 17, 2011 7:39 pm

Pwolf wrote:Make it even more simple:

4) Competitors may edit until the last second, at which time nothing may be added, moved, or removed.The final projects shall then be output to a file for playback.


How else would they be played? :P


Heck, I could shorten it to just "Competitors may edit until the last second". The rest is obvious. But frankly, all the wordy rules and stuff is more for the benefit of curious people who want to know how things are run. And, sometimes in life, people need to be told the obvious. :P
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Re: Anime Expo 2011 - AMV Chef is BACK!

Postby Pwolf » Tue May 17, 2011 7:41 pm

xstylus wrote:
Rider4Z wrote:see? i knew i had a good idea.

:P


Actually, it was Brad's idea, and a very good one IMO. He wanted to mimic the judging methodology used on Iron Chef.

While there's not a whole lot of ways to do this event differently from Iron Editor®, we'd prefer to mimic Iron Chef more closely.


On the subject, it would probably be a good idea to define what each merit actually means. I think we all have different definitions for "technical" and "artistic" but also how do you determine how much a video adheres to the theme and what does "use of secret ingredient" actually mean? Does it mean how much of it was used? This should help the judges score each video but more importantly help the editors have a better idea of what the judges will actually be looking for.

I have to say, i'm actually excited, i hope this year goes well.
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Re: Anime Expo 2011 - AMV Chef is BACK!

Postby Rider4Z » Tue May 17, 2011 7:43 pm

xstylus wrote:
Rider4Z wrote:see? i knew i had a good idea.

:P


Actually, it was Brad's idea, and a very good one IMO. He wanted to mimic the judging methodology used on Iron Chef.

While there's not a whole lot of ways to do this event differently from Iron Editor®, we'd prefer to mimic Iron Chef more closely.

it makes sense, s'why it crossed my mind. that and my tv is continuously glued to food network, and yet i still have no desire to learn how to cook :book:
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Re: Anime Expo 2011 - AMV Chef is BACK!

Postby XStylus » Tue May 17, 2011 9:29 pm

Rider4Z wrote:that and my tv is continuously glued to food network, and yet i still have no desire to learn how to cook :book:


Tell ya what: If you learn to bake a cake using saccharin, I'll give it away as a prize. :jester:
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Re: Anime Expo 2011 - AMV Chef is BACK!

Postby Rider4Z » Tue May 17, 2011 10:16 pm

xstylus wrote:
Rider4Z wrote:that and my tv is continuously glued to food network, and yet i still have no desire to learn how to cook :book:


Tell ya what: If you learn to bake a cake using saccharin, I'll give it away as a prize. :jester:

HA HA. ha. just so you know, my hub is a cook AND a word nerd so MEHHHH :P i'll make you mac'n'cheese.
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