How do you judge contest credibility?

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Re: How do you judge contest credibility?

Postby HalOfBorg » Fri May 06, 2011 9:03 am

My only problem with specific requirements is the time in general. Having to re-set things, re-render blah blah blah. Upload it again. And sometimes having to watch it again - by this point I have seen it so many times the thought of watching it again - and HEARING it again - makes me dizzy.
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Re: How do you judge contest credibility?

Postby Pwolf » Fri May 06, 2011 9:57 am

BasharOfTheAges wrote:This thread isn't really supposed to be about actively complaining about what contests do, but rather, the things they do that make you just walk away and not take them seriously enough to participate in the first place.


Exactly, just because you're lazy doesn't make a contest any worse :P
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Re: How do you judge contest credibility?

Postby Castor Troy » Fri May 06, 2011 9:59 am

HalOfBorg wrote:My only problem with specific requirements is the time in general. Having to re-set things, re-render blah blah blah. Upload it again. And sometimes having to watch it again - by this point I have seen it so many times the thought of watching it again - and HEARING it again - makes me dizzy.


*cough*acen and 48khz audio*cough* :roll:
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Re: How do you judge contest credibility?

Postby CodeZTM » Fri May 06, 2011 10:15 am

Honestly, website design is a really big issue with me when I look at credibility. If any of you have used NgSilver's contest database [or A-Kon/Otakon, they're pretty good too], THAT is how they should look. Simple design, simple/clear instructions and not a clusterfuck of information EVERYWHERE AND NOWHERE AT THE SAME TIME. Colors that are easy on the eyes, no ridiculous flash animations poofying up the place, and just a generally "Hey. I can see where I am going and where I need to click in order to submit my entries and enter information!"
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Re: How do you judge contest credibility?

Postby Ileia » Fri May 06, 2011 10:23 am

The biggest factor that will make me turn heel is the contest coordinator's attitude. I've seen some really petty, childish behavior from a few (Note: At no point should you EVER call your entrants "stupid".) that's made up my mind to never submit so long as they are running the contest. It's harder if I've never submitted before and in that case, I just follow the thread for awhile before deciding. There was one contest that I was considering until I read the coordinator's response to a question about the rules, which was essentially "If you don't like it, too bad, you don't have to submit, we don't need your AMVs." And sometimes you have a thread where people have been asking questions and the coordinator hasn't responded at all. Perhaps not always true, but my mindset is coordinator = bad, then contest = bad.
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Re: How do you judge contest credibility?

Postby Castor Troy » Fri May 06, 2011 10:38 am

Ileia wrote:(Note: At no point should you EVER call your entrants "stupid".)


Which con was this?!
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Re: How do you judge contest credibility?

Postby Rider4Z » Fri May 06, 2011 4:50 pm

Pwolf wrote:
Rider4Z wrote: but requiring specific amounts of black before and/or after the video is pushing it.

That's actually not entirely unreasonable if you know the technical reasons why someone would want you to do that. Not to mention it's not that difficult to take your master copy and add 2 seconds of black to the beginning and end. i actually try to do this every time I edit so I don't have to do it afterwards. If you have to re-encode the video for the con, its only a minute or two amount of extra work (if that) so it's really not that bad.

i don't know what software you have that makes it so fast for you, but for me it takes a lot longer than a couple minutes. but either way, it's fair enough for cons to require specifics like that, i'm just saying i'm less likely to enter if it requires me to put more time into a finished video>> UNLESS i plan on attending the convention, then i'd be likely to put forth the effort.
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Ileia wrote:(Note: At no point should you EVER call your entrants "stupid".)

Which con was this?!

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Re: How do you judge contest credibility?

Postby Castor Troy » Fri May 06, 2011 6:50 pm

Rider4Z wrote:i'll enter anything if:

1.) i'm not required to attend. i would love to attend any and all conventions in north america but i work and need money to pay for my mortgage and car. i enter contests not to win but to give my videos exposure. whether i make the finals / win is up to the judges and/or audience.

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Half of the conventions take place at the same time. It's impossible to attend every con unless you clone yourself. :P
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Re: How do you judge contest credibility?

Postby Pwolf » Fri May 06, 2011 6:55 pm

Rider4Z wrote:
Pwolf wrote:
Rider4Z wrote: but requiring specific amounts of black before and/or after the video is pushing it.

That's actually not entirely unreasonable if you know the technical reasons why someone would want you to do that. Not to mention it's not that difficult to take your master copy and add 2 seconds of black to the beginning and end. i actually try to do this every time I edit so I don't have to do it afterwards. If you have to re-encode the video for the con, its only a minute or two amount of extra work (if that) so it's really not that bad.

i don't know what software you have that makes it so fast for you


Avisynth:

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video = avisource("mastercopyofvideo.avi")
padding = blackness(video, color=$000000, length=48)
return padding ++ video ++ padding


open in quenc/tmpeg/zarxgui/vdub and then encode. easy.
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Re: How do you judge contest credibility?

Postby meleechampion » Sat May 07, 2011 4:03 am

Have I mentioned I love this thread? :3
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Re: How do you judge contest credibility?

Postby drewaconclusion » Sat May 07, 2011 1:25 pm

Pwolf wrote:
Rider4Z wrote:
Pwolf wrote:That's actually not entirely unreasonable if you know the technical reasons why someone would want you to do that. Not to mention it's not that difficult to take your master copy and add 2 seconds of black to the beginning and end. i actually try to do this every time I edit so I don't have to do it afterwards. If you have to re-encode the video for the con, its only a minute or two amount of extra work (if that) so it's really not that bad.

i don't know what software you have that makes it so fast for you


Avisynth:

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video = avisource("mastercopyofvideo.avi")
padding = blackness(video, color=$000000, length=48)
return padding ++ video ++ padding


open in quenc/tmpeg/zarxgui/vdub and then encode. easy.
That's pretty nifty actually. I'll have to hang onto that.
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Re: How do you judge contest credibility?

Postby Rider4Z » Sat May 07, 2011 10:42 pm

Pwolf wrote:Avisynth:

Code: Select all
video = avisource("mastercopyofvideo.avi")
padding = blackness(video, color=$000000, length=48)
return padding ++ video ++ padding


open in quenc/tmpeg/zarxgui/vdub and then encode. easy.

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Re: How do you judge contest credibility?

Postby drewaconclusion » Sat May 07, 2011 11:08 pm

Rider4Z wrote:
Pwolf wrote:Avisynth:

Code: Select all
video = avisource("mastercopyofvideo.avi")
padding = blackness(video, color=$000000, length=48)
return padding ++ video ++ padding


open in quenc/tmpeg/zarxgui/vdub and then encode. easy.

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Re: How do you judge contest credibility?

Postby Nya-chan Production » Sun May 08, 2011 12:44 pm

Pwolf wrote:
Rider4Z wrote:
Pwolf wrote:That's actually not entirely unreasonable if you know the technical reasons why someone would want you to do that. Not to mention it's not that difficult to take your master copy and add 2 seconds of black to the beginning and end. i actually try to do this every time I edit so I don't have to do it afterwards. If you have to re-encode the video for the con, its only a minute or two amount of extra work (if that) so it's really not that bad.

i don't know what software you have that makes it so fast for you


Avisynth:

Code: Select all
video = avisource("mastercopyofvideo.avi")
padding = blackness(video, color=$000000, length=48)
return padding ++ video ++ padding


open in quenc/tmpeg/zarxgui/vdub and then encode. easy.

Considering most of the contests play from PC (might not be true, correct me in that case) - how hard would it be to make ONE pad and then prepare a short playlist "pad + video + pad" that plays continuously for each video?

I suppose a lot shorter than actual total rendering and encoding time of all the editors who have to do it.

Not even mentioning stuff like "I don't keep renders because my HDD is small" or "I kept my renders on a HDD that died on me and now I can't send an older video in, because I'd have to recreate it or render from copy I uploaded to Org"
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Re: How do you judge contest credibility?

Postby Pwolf » Sun May 08, 2011 1:29 pm

Nya-chan Production wrote:Considering most of the contests play from PC (might not be true, correct me in that case) - how hard would it be to make ONE pad and then prepare a short playlist "pad + video + pad" that plays continuously for each video?

I suppose a lot shorter than actual total rendering and encoding time of all the editors who have to do it.


You should never assume how a contest will be played and it shouldn't be the coordinator's job if the editor is lazy. Again, the padding requirement is usually attributed to a technical issue (but i can also see it as just being used for black space between videos) so just adding the padding before the actual video in a playlist doesn't fix the problem. It would only work that way if the coordinator re-encoded the video with padding.

Nya-chan Production wrote:Not even mentioning stuff like "I don't keep renders because my HDD is small" or "I kept my renders on a HDD that died on me and now I can't send an older video in, because I'd have to recreate it or render from copy I uploaded to Org"


Again, not something a coordinator should even have to think about. Those are personal problems an editor should deal with, not a contest coordinator. Not to mention those are terrible excuses for not putting padding at the beginning and end of a video. The whole argument against a contest credibility because of it is pretty mind blowing for me anyway. I'm having a hard time understanding why something so small and insignificant is even considered an issue. Even without avisynth, all you would have to do is open your master copy (or what ever copy you have available if you lost your master) in your favorite editing program, add 2 seconds to the beginning and end, export. We're talking about a processes that shouldn't take more than 20minutes on a 5 year old computer. If you're waiting until the very last moment to enter a contest and that 20minutes is too long, then you have more problems to worry about then adding some padding :P
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