The Online AMV Iron Chef Tournament v4.0 POST-INTEREST GAUGE

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The Online AMV Iron Chef Tournament v4.0 POST-INTEREST GAUGE

Postby Brad » Sat Feb 19, 2011 4:26 pm

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So... here we are yet again.

I'm sure that many of you out there may be un-familiar with this tournament, or rather, it's series of "interest gauge" threads that have gone up since late 2008. I'm also sure that many of you remember the broken promises*, the potential for exuberance** and the nomination for Best Troll 2010***. But let us forget the past and move on. I was in a different place back then and my renewed motivation is at it's peak (another way of saying, I've been fairly bored as of late and I'm looking for a new project). So, lets get on to the meat of the thread.

I am very interested in starting up The Online AMV Iron Chef Tournament v4.0. The point of this thread is not only to find out roughly how many people would be interested in joining as participants, but also because I'm looking for unique ideas to help make this tournament special. I have some ideas of my own, but I want to get some feedback from the community at large. I certainly can't promise that I will use everybody's ideas, but I will definitely take everything under consideration. I also wanted to share the ideas for the tournament that I have so far.

MY CURRENT PLANS FOR THE TOURNAMENT

This will (potentially) be a 96-person tournament, broken up into 3 32-person brackets. The finals will be a 3-person single-elimination match done over two matches to select the final winner. I want the prizes to be bigger than ever and the matches to not only be exciting for the contestants but for the spectators as well. The biggest thing that I found disappointing about the previous tournaments is how many people essentially stopped caring once either they or their friends were knocked out. My real goal here is to create an event that brings the community together in a way that we haven't really seen before.

The main plan to do this is to present the tournament as a web video series. Now, what the hell does that mean? Utilizing the assistance of my fellow Chicagoans, I will be hosting a series of video "episodes" that talk about the tournament as it's progressing. The series will be done in a very professional and high-production-value method to help the entertainment value of the event. To some people this may seem like a rather pointless venture, but I'm also looking at it as a way to gauge my own personal skills in tackling a large multimedia series. This series will be presented and hosted on a new site I'll be setting up, AMVIronChef.com. The first episode of the series will be Episode 0, and it will accompany the sign-up thread. It'll basically be an explainer episode, going over the rules, introducing the judges, etc.

THINGS I'M LOOKING FOR FEEDBACK ON:

1. The Judging

How does everybody feel about the way judging has been done in the past. For the first 2 tournaments we had 3 judges, and in the 3rd we had 5. Each time the judging has been blind (meaning, each contestant would upload their videos to my server. I would rename them at random VideoA and VideoB. I would send links to both videos to all of the judges and they would pick either A or B, not knowing who made what video) and the judges have been picked by me beforehand. Now, I don't know how most people felt about the judge selection but I really only heard complaints from a couple people. Nevertheless, I wanted to get some ideas from people on how the judging should be done. Do you think having it be entirely audience voted would work? Should we stick with the 5 judge system? If so, should I pick the judges myself or should we have a judge nomination process? From a personal standpoint, I'd probably prefer to stick with the 5 judges I select. My reasoning behind this is that I select people that I know to not only have a very good knowledge of AMVs, but I also know to be reliable and un-biased. Whereas if we go with nominated judges, I'd potentially end up working with people that I really don't know.

2. Song Selection

I'd like to find out people's ideas about song selection. Here's how it's gone in the past (and may stay this way if people are fine with it). Before the tournament begins, I work out the rules for each round. Because some rounds handle music differently (such as having multiple song options for each person) I have to put together a huge list of songs and assign them to the matches randomly. Now, due to the fact that we have a random match setups and people end up using a very wide variety of sources, sometimes people don't necessarily get the best source-song pairings. Unfortunately, I really don't know of any other way around this other than to say, that's just how the game goes. And honestly, there have been plenty of times when people have taken a bad pairing and turned it into something really cool and fun. The one thing I don't want it turn into is "eh, just let people pick their own music and anime and go with it." That really is outside of the spirit of AMV Iron Chef. There needs to be that element of surprise or else it's just not a challenge. Regardless, like I said, I'm open to ideas.

3. Round Themes

So last tournament, I brought in the idea of giving one round a "theme" (Todd, no need to say they weren't REAL themes). The one I went with for Round 3 was using songs from widely-known/popular AMVs. This ended up being a ton of fun and I might do it again for one of the rounds this time as well. But I wanted to see if you guys had any more ideas for overall themes. I'd prefer to shy away from "genre" themes (like, preferably nothing like "for this round, you have to make a romance video" or something). I'm more interested in fun sort of "modifiers" for the round if that makes sense.


So yeah, that's pretty much it. Any other ideas or comments are very welcome. If all you want to say if that you'd definitely be down for joining once this goes through, that helps as well. As I had stated in the thread from '09, while I want this to be a 96-person tourney, if less than 88 people sign up, I'm bringing it down to 64. So this thread is also a way to generate some excitement so that when the sign-up thread DOES go live, we'll have more people getting into it.

* = Never actually used the word promise.
** = Keyword there being "potential."
*** = Never got nominated :\
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Re: The Online AMV Iron Chef Tournament v4.0 POST-INTEREST G

Postby NME » Sat Feb 19, 2011 4:28 pm

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Re: The Online AMV Iron Chef Tournament v4.0 POST-INTEREST G

Postby CastielTheFallen » Sat Feb 19, 2011 4:40 pm

Pass the sugar, bitch.

but the sugar is a lie
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Re: The Online AMV Iron Chef Tournament v4.0 POST-INTEREST G

Postby Moonlight Soldier » Sat Feb 19, 2011 5:06 pm

I'll read this more closely after work, but I'm interested.
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Re: The Online AMV Iron Chef Tournament v4.0 POST-INTEREST G

Postby Nicho Void » Sat Feb 19, 2011 5:51 pm

Interested.
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Re: The Online AMV Iron Chef Tournament v4.0 POST-INTEREST G

Postby Kitsuner » Sat Feb 19, 2011 6:09 pm

I thought making this a video series was really cool idea as soon as I heard about it. As for the logistics, I have no problems with the current song and judge selection methods. Honestly, those are part of what makes this a Brad tournament to me. I liked the five judge setup a lot better than the three, because that made the close matches that much closer (even if it did cost me round two last time! :evil: ) Did the judges include comments about the videos at all last time? I think that could work really well in this format if you occasionally work in judge interviews explaining their decisions. Works for shows like Project: Runway and Top Chef, right?

Maybe one of the altered rounds could work as a two-on-two tag team match? I'm still figuring how it might actually work, considering geographical difficulties, but one partner could edit for an hour before passing it to their teammate who edits for another hour. Was there a battle royale toward the end of the last tournament? I vaguely remember something like that, but I could be making things up entirely.

PS - I'm all in, pass the sugar, etc., etc.

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Re: The Online AMV Iron Chef Tournament v4.0 POST-INTEREST G

Postby Magnus » Sat Feb 19, 2011 7:19 pm

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Re: The Online AMV Iron Chef Tournament v4.0 POST-INTEREST G

Postby NS » Sat Feb 19, 2011 7:29 pm

Pass the sugar.
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Re: The Online AMV Iron Chef Tournament v4.0 POST-INTEREST G

Postby Infinity Squared » Sat Feb 19, 2011 8:01 pm

Sugar me up.
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Re: The Online AMV Iron Chef Tournament v4.0 POST-INTEREST G

Postby ExSphere » Sat Feb 19, 2011 8:03 pm

pass the sugar |:>
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Re: The Online AMV Iron Chef Tournament v4.0 POST-INTEREST G

Postby Prodigi » Sat Feb 19, 2011 8:48 pm

Who's my sugar? :awesome:

I'm interested. It's the new idea of the webcast and such that actually has me really pumped.

As for judging:
I prefer 5 judges who we can assume are good and fair.

As for songs:
I wholeheatedly trust your judgement in songs that are both awesome, but also varied in style.
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Re: The Online AMV Iron Chef Tournament v4.0 POST-INTEREST G

Postby ngsilver » Sat Feb 19, 2011 10:13 pm

pass that sugar baby.

Also, I think the video series idea is really cool. I know I'd be into watching it.

As for song selection, I kinda like the here's your song deal with it kind of thing. However, I do see times where perhaps that may not work out to allow each competitor to be at the top of their game. So perhaps a possibility is to allow for a backup source. Such as, you roll for the source that would be chosen, and then the editor is given a backup source they can choose from their list as well. Then when the song is revealed they can then decide to use the given source or their backup, as perhaps the backup may allow them to produce something better then the rolled source. However once a source has been chosen it would still be thrown off the list for future rounds per normal (this would also stop someone from always falling back onto 1 series that they know really well.) Just a thought on that.

As a second suggestion, perhaps delving into more Royalty Free or Creative Commons type music would be an interesting change of pace. Stuff from say http://freemusicarchive.org as possible choices.

For themes I really like taking a popular video and working with that song to see what kind of different approach you could make with it. I can't really think of any other themes without getting too specific and granular like Iron Editor or AMV Wars themes can get.
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Re: The Online AMV Iron Chef Tournament v4.0 POST-INTEREST G

Postby Castor Troy » Sat Feb 19, 2011 10:28 pm

I won't be returning as a judge but I do like Nate's 2nd suggestion about the royalty free music. Should be interesting to see that turns out instead of familiar music we know.
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Re: The Online AMV Iron Chef Tournament v4.0 POST-INTEREST G

Postby ExSphere » Sat Feb 19, 2011 11:28 pm

Judges: I always enjoy the 5 judges system, but how about you collect 5 people who do not communicate with each other on a daily basis. I don't want the judge's to be only RDS members, or people in a little circle of that sort. Try and round up people from all around.
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Re: The Online AMV Iron Chef Tournament v4.0 POST-INTEREST G

Postby Silk_SK » Sat Feb 19, 2011 11:43 pm

You know what this tournament needs? Silksauce. Passum on the sugar.
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