JCAs 2011 - Results in on page 6!

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Re: JCAs - Results in on page 6!

Postby MycathatesyouAMV » Fri Mar 11, 2011 3:38 pm

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Re: JCAs - Results in on page 6!

Postby Otohiko » Fri Mar 11, 2011 3:39 pm

I think both the judge selection and the nomination processes need to change next year. Otherwise I think the 'north-american-ness' is something you're exaggarating just a little - while there was definite consensus on some things, if you look at the actual votes, the judges' actual choices varied a lot. Likewise, I think all the judges were critical and I can vouch that everyone involved can explain why they chose some videos over others logically and in detail. There is definitely a big distinction from the VCA in that although the criteria were not agreed on as clearly as they could've among judges, at least every judge's choice was based on pretty specific criteria. Who's friends with who is not a criterion, and I have not once heard this come up during discussion - except in cases where we really needed to keep bias in check.

In some sense, I honestly think that having a more representative set of videos nominated will make a bigger difference than changing the judges. Again, consensus among judges is a myth - for example a couple of years ago when I was a judge in the JCA, the final VCA results actually turned out to be closer to my votes than the JCA results! And that meant that only 1/5 of my top JCA choices that year actually got first place. This year it's a bit more, but still far from all categories agree with my votes. At the same time, I acknowledge that all videos that got first, or even 2nd and 3rd place, completely deserve their awards. I think a more 'internationally representative' set of videos than the VCA semi-finalists will make a bigger difference than selecting 'representative' judges from around the world. Although both should happen, imo.
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Re: JCAs - Results in on page 6!

Postby CodeZTM » Fri Mar 11, 2011 3:52 pm

As a judge, there were two things I think were inherently wrong with the system, and Otohikio hit one of them on the head.

1) Nomations should not be soley limited to the Semi-Finalists. This knocks out a TON of great works. Moreover, if we do keep the Semi-Finalist requirement, I think we deserve an equal number of self-nominated videos. This way, viewers can work hand-in-hand with the judges, and show us works that we could not otherwise see. Kosmit did a great job of helping out the Russian community, by nominating videos that I had honestly never seen before.

2) International represenations should be a set requirement. I honestly think there should be about 10 judges for the panel. 3 of which are represenatives from the "big" AMV communities [US, Russia, Europe], which the users can vote for. A logistical nightmare, but it could be done. The final 7 could be the choices from the AMV community, as we have done in the past, but not limited to JUST a-m-v.org users.

So when we did nominations, it would look something like this:

US Rep:
Europe Rep:
Russia Rep:
Nom1
Nom2
Nom3
Nom4
Nom5
Nom6
Nom7

10 seems like a fair number to me, espsecially when you think how varied the current VCA judges tastes were.
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Re: JCAs - Results in on page 6!

Postby Lirinis » Fri Mar 11, 2011 4:01 pm

CodeZTM wrote:So when we did nominations, it would look something like this:

US Rep:
Europe Rep:
Russia Rep:
Nom1
Nom2
Nom3
Nom4
Nom5
Nom6
Nom7

10 seems like a fair number to me, espsecially when you think how varied the current VCA judges tastes were.


Again, don't count per country. Count per community. (Err, is Europe a country or a community?)

1) a-m-v.org
2) amv-france
3) amvnews/akross
4) smaller ones? o_0
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Re: JCAs - Results in on page 6!

Postby CodeZTM » Fri Mar 11, 2011 4:03 pm

Well, I meant per-community, it just got typed out wrong, and I didn't want to insult the Italian editors. :sweat:
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Re: JCAs - Results in on page 6!

Postby Nya-chan Production » Fri Mar 11, 2011 4:07 pm

Seems everyone comes to the same outcome, though in different words \o/

I think the biggest issue is with what Oto said, though. Managing 9 or 11 (odd number is better for cases of ties and stuff) judges isn't that harder, maybe it would just take a bit longer. But the judges have to choose from something, and that is hard to provide.

Also, you have to remember that there are over 20 categories. Even the process as is now takes most of the judges a few days to rate and comment on. If every community drops in a few new videos, it'll be a nightmare for EVERYONE.
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Re: JCAs - Results in on page 6!

Postby CodeZTM » Fri Mar 11, 2011 4:09 pm

That's actually something I totally forgot. It took me nearly... A week to watch all the semi finalists and get my nominations in. So while I'm not totally opposed to dropping the semifinalists rule all together, I do agree that we need a few extra nominations each, or at least a rule that prohibits us from nomination the same video in our extra nominations. Although once the nominations are over with, watching the videos for the finalists wasn't that bad at all. It was the comment writing that took so long. XD
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Re: JCAs - Results in on page 6!

Postby Lirinis » Fri Mar 11, 2011 4:14 pm

National semifinals needed. :awesome:
And for sure there's no space for all the vca-semifinalists. :ying:
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Re: JCAs - Results in on page 6!

Postby Nya-chan Production » Fri Mar 11, 2011 4:19 pm

Lirinis wrote:National semifinals needed. :awesome:
And for sure there's no space for all the vca-semifinalists. :ying:

I want a free spot in every category if I coordinate it :ying:
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Re: JCAs - Results in on page 6!

Postby godix » Fri Mar 11, 2011 6:15 pm

I still think an intercommunity contest, if there will be one, should *NOT* be the JCAs. The JCAs were specifically designed as a compliment to the VCA, which inherently ties them to the org.

Instead do something like "Here's the categories, each community nominates four or five vids per category and two judges in whatever way that community wants to. Then we judge". Assuming some duplicates, you'd end up with probably 10 to 15 vids per category. About what the VCA semi-finalists is now.
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Re: JCAs - Results in on page 6!

Postby BasharOfTheAges » Fri Mar 11, 2011 7:14 pm

godix wrote:I still think an intercommunity contest, if there will be one, should *NOT* be the JCAs. The JCAs were specifically designed as a compliment to the VCA, which inherently ties them to the org.

Agreed 100% we shouldn't lose our contest unless every other community is willing to drop theirs as well.
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Re: JCAs - Results in on page 6!

Postby Hagaren Viper » Fri Mar 11, 2011 8:03 pm

I would just like to drop by and apologize for my 493+ vid, I had no idea it caused people to drink...

Congrats to the winners, everyone~
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Re: JCAs - Results in on page 6!

Postby Kosmit » Fri Mar 11, 2011 9:17 pm

You gotta love the drama :roll: Being a judge - as any JCA judge can tell you - isn't easy as you might think. It requires lots of time and making many difficult decisions with which someone is bound to disagree. On the other hand it is well worth the effort, since you get to watch TONS of awesome stuff you missed throughout the year.
From my side I can tell you this: yes, I'm part of the org community, but I'm also keeping track of what's happening in the Russian and Polish communities and I tried to promote videos unknown to the .org to the best of my abilities (with some success, ie. COLOLOR). Still, I am fully aware my preception is very limited - I have no idea what's going on in, let's say, French, Italian, Czech or Hungarian communities. It is simply impossible to track every possible community (time limitations, language barrier etc.) - that's why we need judges from various countries. Plus some other minor improvements in the JCAs formula. I'm to tired and/or drunk to write about them now ;)

In the end, running the JCA's is worth it if you get comments like these:
Snowcrash wrote:And honestly I had a lot of fun to read the judges' comments and the special prizes :beer:
(...)
The main purpose of VCA/JCA is (for me) to discover all the good videos I missed during the past year.
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Re: JCAs - Results in on page 6!

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Re: JCAs - Results in on page 6!

Postby CorpseGoddess » Sat Mar 12, 2011 3:24 am

Kosmit wrote:You gotta love the drama :roll: Being a judge - as any JCA judge can tell you - isn't easy as you might think. It requires lots of time and making many difficult decisions with which someone is bound to disagree. On the other hand it is well worth the effort, since you get to watch TONS of awesome stuff you missed throughout the year.
From my side I can tell you this: yes, I'm part of the org community, but I'm also keeping track of what's happening in the Russian and Polish communities and I tried to promote videos unknown to the .org to the best of my abilities (with some success, ie. COLOLOR). Still, I am fully aware my preception is very limited - I have no idea what's going on in, let's say, French, Italian, Czech or Hungarian communities. It is simply impossible to track every possible community (time limitations, language barrier etc.) - that's why we need judges from various countries. Plus some other minor improvements in the JCAs formula. I'm to tired and/or drunk to write about them now ;)

In the end, running the JCA's is worth it if you get comments like these:
Snowcrash wrote:And honestly I had a lot of fun to read the judges' comments and the special prizes :beer:
(...)
The main purpose of VCA/JCA is (for me) to discover all the good videos I missed during the past year.


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