Oh you are russian ?Otohiko wrote:Oh there is definitely a Russian among the judges this year. Just because I only lurk around AMVnews and AKROSS and usually don't post doesn't make me any less Russian >__>
Didn't realize.
Oh you are russian ?Otohiko wrote:Oh there is definitely a Russian among the judges this year. Just because I only lurk around AMVnews and AKROSS and usually don't post doesn't make me any less Russian >__>
Ooops... Sorry Oto for forgetting you are indeed Russian. That was mainly because I was thinking along the lines of "which AMV community you're a part of". And I probably lurk on amvnews more than you doOtohiko wrote:Oh there is definitely a Russian among the judges this year. Just because I only lurk around AMVnews and AKROSS and usually don't post doesn't make me any less Russian >__>
So, lurking on those communities, you feel there is actual desire to participate in the process and share feedback year-round that's being hampered by a language barrier and not just a yearly rally cry for nationalistic ballot stuffing?Otohiko wrote:Oh there is definitely a Russian among the judges this year. Just because I only lurk around AMVnews and AKROSS and usually don't post doesn't make me any less Russian >__>
However I agree with Lirinis, a multi-language interface would be very helpful, especially for things on the site that already draw a big international audience (like the VCA).
I think things are more complicated than that. More than anyone I feel a cultural barrier between the two communities, and as communities go, yes I do identify more with the .org and the North American AMV scene. I sympathise with the Russian complaints (and similar French ones) to a certain extent, but I think one of the big problems for both is that it's hard to see AMVs outside the context of their own community and culture. More than anything, there are big differences in what people see as merit in AMVs.BasharOfTheAges wrote:So, lurking on those communities, you feel there is actual desire to participate in the process and share feedback year-round that's being hampered by a language barrier and not just a yearly rally cry for nationalistic ballot stuffing?Otohiko wrote:Oh there is definitely a Russian among the judges this year. Just because I only lurk around AMVnews and AKROSS and usually don't post doesn't make me any less Russian >__>
However I agree with Lirinis, a multi-language interface would be very helpful, especially for things on the site that already draw a big international audience (like the VCA).
JapanExpo?godix wrote:plus whatever equivalent the French have.
Quoted for truth.Otohiko wrote:I think one of the big problems for both is that it's hard to see AMVs outside the context of their own community and culture. More than anything, there are big differences in what people see as merit in AMVs.
Not tl;dr at all. That was actually a pretty good "sum up" (to use Inigo Montoya's phrase) of amv creation/critique/criticism in general.Moonlight Soldier wrote:Quoted for truth.Otohiko wrote:I think one of the big problems for both is that it's hard to see AMVs outside the context of their own community and culture. More than anything, there are big differences in what people see as merit in AMVs.
If you're making something for the fun of it and well, because you can, it's probably not going to go over well in places that want to push the boundaries and one up each other.
Since I enjoy a relatively low-key fanbase (aka very few people ); when people do upload my stuff elsewhere, I get a mix of people either accepting and liking a video for what it is; (usually fans of the series I'm using); or the people who watched the video solely because it won somewhere and want to understand why.
When you're competing frankly it doesn't matter what language you speak, the criticism is going to be harsh. Harsher still if you can't fathom the context be it cultural or otherwise. (And that exists in North America as well be it Canada vs. U.S. or east vs. west; hell English vs. French Canada etc. let alone across the ocean.)
This exists everywhere, especially where art is concerned. For me, I see it in a lot of photography communities I've joined. For example; I see a lot of work by Russian photographers, that while technically sound and having great composition do absolutely nothing for me. (And in the case of some are freaky as all hell .) Do I recognize that they are talented photographers with artistic vision? Yes. Would I ever want their prints to put on my wall? Probably not. Would I ever enter a Russian photography contest? I might to see the kind of feedback I'd get, but I sure wouldn't expect to win
Point is, VCAs/JCAs Akross/JapanExpo etc. are what they are. But you really can't expect a UN-style round table. It'd be unrealistic to expect any country/fanbase/contest to agree on the common goal of who/what is better. Just embrace what you get out of the contests and keep the dialogue open between communities.
Sorry for the tl;dr
Actually, now that APH is out stateside, I expect to see quite a few of those this coming year.Moonlight Soldier wrote:But you really can't expect a UN-style round table.