Phantasmagoriat wrote:The thing is, it'll take you like.?? 10 steps to do the simplest tasks, while in Magix/Vegas it will probably just take 1 step.
Like what? You either don't know how to use premiere or you are making things up.
Phantasmagoriat wrote:The thing is, it'll take you like.?? 10 steps to do the simplest tasks, while in Magix/Vegas it will probably just take 1 step.
Well, you are probably right that I don't know how to use Premiere (since I stopped using it after many annoyances) So yeah, I said my review was quite biased, and I was exaggerating a bit. But from what I recall, even making a cut in premiere was a pain:Pwolf wrote:Phantasmagoriat wrote:The thing is, it'll take you like.?? 10 steps to do the simplest tasks, while in Magix/Vegas it will probably just take 1 step.
Like what? You either don't know how to use premiere or you are making things up.
Phantasmagoriat wrote:On top of that, it doesn't seem like you can cut a single track without also cutting the above/below tracks as well. As the default function for doing the most common task in editing, this seems flawed.
Phantasmagoriat wrote:Please correct me if I'm wrong, but there doesn't seem to be another way to do this, aside from using rubber bands, but that's equally as complicated in comparison to Magix/Vegas. Crossfades seem to work in the same needlessly complicated way-- but with Magix/Vegas/(and even Windows Movie Maker) you just drag your clip until it overlaps with another clip. At this point I stopped using Premiere since anything more complicated than one step to do a simple fade seems counter-productive. Even if it just takes 2 steps, that's double the work over the course of an entire Avatar Music Video.
Phantasmagoriat wrote:Coupled with no waveform/thumbnails by default

Phantasmagoriat wrote:To make a cut:
In Premiere:
For arguments sake, if you decided to use the razor tool (which you don't need to with hotkeys, I know) you would have to
1.scrub to where you want to make your cut,
2.select the Razor tool,
3.move your cursor to where you want to make your cut
4.make your cut
5.re-select the Selection tool (if you want to move your clip)
Phantasmagoriat wrote:In Magix/Vegas:
1.scrub to where you want to make your cut
2.hit the T or S key (or Split Button)
Phantasmagoriat wrote:To make a fadein/fadeout:
In Premiere:
1.go to the effects panel
2.Dissolve
3.Dip to black
4.Drag effect onto start/end of clip
5.Extend your fade to the length you want
?
Well, I guess I just don't see why anyone would want to make a cut without knowing where they are cutting. If the scrub bar is already at the position you want to cut, why not just tap a key on your keyboard and be done with it; in Premiere you need to re-position your cursor at the position you already know you want to cut at, then make your cut. IDK, it just seems redundant to me. And when Magix defaults back to it's original state where you can move the clip, that makes so much more sense to me since that's what 90% of editing consists of: make my cut, then move my clip. With Premiere if I have to make my cut, switch back to the selection tool, then move my clip, and probably reselect the razor tool, it just seems like doing 1-2 unnecessary steps every single time I make a cut.Pwolf wrote:In Premiere:
1.scrub to where you want to make your cut,
2.Press the "C" key,
4.make your cut
5.Press the "V" key
Of course this is just modifying your example to be more efficient based on that specific scenario (scrubbing, making a cut, and then going back to a state where you can move the clip)?
If we want to just cut a clip, you can just do:
1.Press the "C" Key
2.Make your cut
And if you aren't moving clips, you can cut all you want without scrubbing whereas, according to your instructions for Magix/Vegas, every time you make a cut, you have to scrub to where you want to make it. You also don't HAVE to switch back to the selection tool after you make a cut, you can scrub to where you want to make a cut and then make the cut (assuming you already have the razor tool selected, that's only two steps)? Not to mention, since you're keen on hotkeys, the "C" and "V" keys are right next to each other so going back and forth between the two don't require a whole lot of extra energy.
Pwolf wrote:Phantasmagoriat wrote:In Magix/Vegas:
2.hit the T or S key
aieli ileia: I just selected a clip
aieli ileia: and pressed S
aieli ileia: it didn't do anything
I had to ask Ileia what those keys actually do because you didn't add a step for selecting a clip on the timeline so for all i know, S and T cut all the clips on the timeline. When I used Magix I never used those keys.
Phantasmagoriat wrote:Well, I guess I just don't see why anyone would want to make a cut without knowing where they are cutting. If the scrub bar is already at the position you want to cut, why not just tap a key on your keyboard and be done with it; in Premiere you need to re-position your cursor at the position you already know you want to cut at, then make your cut. IDK, it just seems redundant to me. And when Magix defaults back to it's original state where you can move the clip, that makes so much more sense to me since that's what 90% of editing consists of: make my cut, then move my clip. With Premiere if I have to make my cut, switch back to the selection tool, then move my clip, and probably reselect the razor tool, it just seems like doing 1-2 unnecessary steps every single time I make a cut.
Phantasmagoriat wrote:I'm completely in-line with everything you said about flexibility, and that's one good reason why I might want to try Premiere again. But I do think the flexibility overshadows ease-of-use. For instance, Magix also has Rubber-Bands/keyframes in addition to fade handles; I don't see why Premiere couldn't also have fade handles. It's like Premiere is flexible in terms of what it is capable of, but not flexible in terms of efficiency. IMO, the most commonly used tasks should be reduced down to the least amount of effort since you are using them so often. And I don't see that with Premiere. So it kills me whenever I see an editor use Premiere just to make a simple cut and fade Avatar Music Video, especially when they fail at it knowing things would be so much easier using another program.
IDK about that. People like doing things the easiest most efficient way possible. Sure you can make things more complex if it adds extra functionality, but I think there comes a point when complexity can be reduced down to simpler tasks.?? and based on everything I mentioned earlier.?? I just think Premiere could do a better job at simplifying it's tasks.Pwolf wrote:Ease of use and Efficiency on the other hand is a completely moot point that depends on the person using the software, not the software itself
Phantasmagoriat wrote:Well, alright, I can see the advantages of the way Premiere does cuts/fades, but I would never make a cut without knowing exactly where I am cutting (seems so illogical to me); and rarely would I need to fine-adjust a fade.
So even if the extra steps provide added functionality, it is functionality I would never use, and I'm guessing most people would not need that functionality either
there's still no reason why Premiere couldn't have both keyframe-opacity and fade-handles; or a simpler default hotkey for cutting than ctrl+shift+k or (c + v)?
IDK about that. People like doing things the easiest most efficient way possible. Sure you can make things more complex if it adds extra functionality, but I think there comes a point when complexity can be reduced down to simpler tasks.?? and based on everything I mentioned earlier.?? I just think Premiere could do a better job at simplifying it's tasks.
Phantasmagoriat wrote:Actually, this whole discussion is very catch 22--> How can you disagree with me, when you haven't mastered Magix/Vegas? It's the same argument.
Well, that was never my intention, sorry. I mostly just wanted to share my opinion. I can at least do that can't I?Pwolf wrote:You are answering a legitimate question by giving out false information. If you really want to help, either give out accurate information (even if it is bias), or don't do it at all.
Phantasmagoriat wrote:Well, that was never my intention, sorry. I mostly just wanted to share my opinion. I can at least do that can't I?Pwolf wrote:You are answering a legitimate question by giving out false information. If you really want to help, either give out accurate information (even if it is bias), or don't do it at all.
Now, I realize I was being pretty misleading about what was fact and what was just my opinion, so I have edited my post to hopefully be more accurate (or at least less misleading)?
Let me know if you have any concerns.
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